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re: Brian Kelley is 16-6…….
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:54 pm to jsmoke222000
Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:54 pm to jsmoke222000
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Nick Sabans record was 43-26-1 when he came to LSU. .614% Dinardo left a dumpster fire when he left going 4-7 & 3-8 in his last 2 seasons & a young Nick Saban fixed it.
Nick Saban had 6 years of experience as a college head coach prior to being hired by LSU, Dave Aranda had 2, including the Covid year.
LSU also was a different program when Saban was hired, there weren't natty expectations and a program like LSU could not pull coaches from places like Notre Dame.
They had to gamble on guys like Saban, they don't have to today.
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I was simply hoping for the same type of hire. With no risk, there is no reward.
Why? You got a guy who is far more experienced and more of a sure thing.
What positive is there to hiring someone like Aranda over Kelly?
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Posted on 11/1/23 at 2:58 pm to GeauxHouston
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Was a top 5 coach in CFB for a majority of his stay at LSU. Did not adapt later.
He was never a top coach. His offense was always garbage. Guys were regularly told by NFL types to leave early as they would get better developed in the NFL than with that idiot, hence every dude going pro as soon as possible.
Saban had completely built a juggernaut, Bama was down, and the rest of the west didn’t have the players we did until Saban returned.
Just because we won a shitload of awfully managed games with penalties, errors, but rain up the middle every play and still won… does not mean the guy was a good coach.
The guy who talked like an idiot, acted like an idiot, looked like an idiot…was an idiot.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:03 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Why? You got a guy who is far more experienced and more of a sure thing. What positive is there to hiring someone like Aranda over Kelly?
I don't understand how BK is such a sure thing. 3 blowout losses in his 1st 15 games, 2 lost season openers, losing to a dreadful 5-7 A&M team with a CFP birth on the line. That's not my definition of a sure thing.
The advantage of hiring a younger coach is that they could potentially build a program & remain here longer than BK.
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LSU also was a different program when Saban was hired, there weren't natty expectations and a program like LSU could not pull coaches from places like Notre Dame.
I do understand you argument though. I'm just not convinced that BK was the right guy.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:08 pm to orlandeaux tiger
CKB is one great DC away from being undefeated.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 3:53 pm to jsmoke222000
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I don't understand how BK is such a sure thing. 3 blowout losses in his 1st 15 games, 2 lost season openers, losing to a dreadful 5-7 A&M team with a CFP birth on the line. That's not my definition of a sure thing.
The advantage of hiring a younger coach is that they could potentially build a program & remain here longer than BK.
I mean any coach can be nitpicked, Saban went 7-6 his first year at Alabama and lost to ULM.
No one is a 100% sure thing but a guy like Kelly is much more of a known entity than someone like Aranda.
Hiring a guy just because he's young is a fool's errand, there's no guarantee that a young coach would stay at LSU any longer than Kelly.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:09 pm to SidewalkTiger
Look man, we are never going to agree on this. You think BK was a home run, I think BK was a bad hire. Only time will tell.
Again, I do understand your point that BK was a proven head coach & thus a safe bet. That being said, BK will not be here for 20+ years no matter how much success he has. The same cannot be said for a younger coach who is just getting started. A younger coach would have the potential to be here far longer than BK, assuming of course that he was winning at an elite level.
I think BK has made a few bad decisions @ LSU. Not relieving Brian Pollian of his coaching duties last year cost us games. Nobody can argue that. But he is BK's boy...
Not bringing in an experienced DL coach after losing his DL coach at the beginning of fall practice was another mistake. It took 6 weeks into the season for BK to make that call. He even admitted that it should have been done much sooner in a press conference.
Going for 2 vs Bama last year was a very bold move. That call is a coin flip. He won the game but could have easily lost it & if they had lost that game because of a failed 2 point conversion everyone on this board would have been calling for his head. At the end of the day, he won the game & that is what matters.
"We certainly aren't the team I thought we were." That's what he said after losing to FSU this year. A coach with 33 years experience didn't see the problems on defense?
Like you said, any coach can be picked apart & be made to look bad.
He is ahead of Saban in 1 category though. Losses
Career Losses:
Brian Kelly: 102
Nick Saban: 70
LSU royally fricked up when they let Saban leave. Back up the truck & give him whatever he asked for to keep him here. Maybe he would have still left, maybe not.
Again, I do understand your point that BK was a proven head coach & thus a safe bet. That being said, BK will not be here for 20+ years no matter how much success he has. The same cannot be said for a younger coach who is just getting started. A younger coach would have the potential to be here far longer than BK, assuming of course that he was winning at an elite level.
I think BK has made a few bad decisions @ LSU. Not relieving Brian Pollian of his coaching duties last year cost us games. Nobody can argue that. But he is BK's boy...
Not bringing in an experienced DL coach after losing his DL coach at the beginning of fall practice was another mistake. It took 6 weeks into the season for BK to make that call. He even admitted that it should have been done much sooner in a press conference.
Going for 2 vs Bama last year was a very bold move. That call is a coin flip. He won the game but could have easily lost it & if they had lost that game because of a failed 2 point conversion everyone on this board would have been calling for his head. At the end of the day, he won the game & that is what matters.
"We certainly aren't the team I thought we were." That's what he said after losing to FSU this year. A coach with 33 years experience didn't see the problems on defense?
Like you said, any coach can be picked apart & be made to look bad.
He is ahead of Saban in 1 category though. Losses
Career Losses:
Brian Kelly: 102
Nick Saban: 70
LSU royally fricked up when they let Saban leave. Back up the truck & give him whatever he asked for to keep him here. Maybe he would have still left, maybe not.
This post was edited on 11/1/23 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:32 pm to jsmoke222000
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Bk did that dumbass dance with walker Howard and then lost him to ole miss.
This is the point where I realized you shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:35 pm to RightWingTiger
Well it's true. 
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:43 pm to orlandeaux tiger
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Miles=38 (friggin Les Miles)
Great recruiter that took over a freakin 800lb gorilla with a chainsaw for a dick.
It’s absolutely astonishing LSU didn’t win 3+ NC from 2005-2015
Saban stays and LSU has a 3peat 06-08…easily.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 4:55 pm to GeauxHouston
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friggin Les Miles
Was a top 5 coach in CFB for a majority of his stay at LSU. Did not adapt later.
We had a shot to be that Bama dynasty had we beat them in both those 2012 games.
The NC where we would’ve had one of the best CFB seasons ever, plus the heartbreaker in TS in 2012 where had we won could’ve been the ones to get to destroy ND in the title game instead of Bama winning back to back titles.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 5:54 pm to jsmoke222000
Ok dude. BK has never been around the talent like he can get at LSU. We lost to FSU in the first game this year. Sucks but FSU is really good. Losing yo ole miss is awful. No excuses. But this team is way better than last year. #1 in many offensive catagories. That is in part because of talent and good coaching. I see Kelly staying for at least 8-10 more years and will get a natty. I see a bright future with him as the coach. But my expectations are not for a natty every year. But 10/11 wins every year would be nice. Would that make a difference about Kelly to you as far as a football coach???
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:20 pm to jsmoke222000
quote:You just keep saying the same crap about the few losses BK has at LSU.
3 blowout losses in his 1st 15 games, 2 lost season openers, losing to a dreadful 5-7 A&M team
What about the Big wins? Was Bama not a big win? Was Fla, Auburn, Ole Miss not Big Wins last year & Missouri (on the road) this year?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:27 pm to jsmoke222000
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Look man, we are never going to agree on this.
Probably not, you come from a place of emotion and feelings and I'm using logic.
Your main argument against BK is muh I want a young coach.
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You think BK was a home run, I think BK was a bad hire.
False.
I think BK was the best option available at the time.
You think he was a bad hire because he isn't young.
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Again, I do understand your point that BK was a proven head coach & thus a safe bet. That being said, BK will not be here for 20+ years no matter how much success he has. The same cannot be said for a younger coach who is just getting started. A younger coach would have the potential to be here far longer than BK, assuming of course that he was winning at an elite level.
Coaches aren't really staying anywhere 20 years, that isn't realistic.
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LSU royally fricked up when they let Saban leave. Back up the truck & give him whatever he asked for to keep him here. Maybe he would have still left, maybe not.
He wanted to go to the NFL, that will always be a draw with hiring younger coaches, especially as NIL and recruiting become more time consuming.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:31 pm to jsmoke222000
Walker left because BK brought in a much better QB (Daniels) & Walker knew he wasn’t good enough to beat JD or Nuss out for QB1 or QB2 so he went somewhere (Ole Miss) he thought he could win the QB1 or QB2 job.
So BK should’ve told JD or Nuss to hit the portal because he couldn’t imagine the absolute horror of having made a goofy video with a QB recruit that transferred?
So BK should’ve told JD or Nuss to hit the portal because he couldn’t imagine the absolute horror of having made a goofy video with a QB recruit that transferred?
Posted on 11/1/23 at 6:48 pm to jsmoke222000
It is too early to say, of course. His teams have appeared surprisingly unprepared at times. He himself admitted that the team was not what he thought. Is that common among elite coaches? I do not know. If the defense looks confused Saturday, I suggest that he will struggle to be successful at LSU.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 7:10 pm to LSUSkip
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I've noticed that BK's issue at LSU so far is having the team ready to play in week 1. The team doesn't get rolling until about halfway through the season. Miles, for all of his faults and inability to beat Saban, had the team ready to play for week 1.
Starting next year, that will be irrelevant if he can be top 4 in the SEC.
Agreed, and I was concerned seeing it in year two. However, even with the transfer portal, I think I and most others underestimated how much overhaul this team needed. Especially in our secondary. Many knew it was a concern, but...yikes. only so much coaching can do about it.
I'm feeling pretty good about everything right now.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 7:18 pm to Barbellthor
A lot of it is due to how much this team has had to rely on the portal, especially in places like the secondary which depend on a lot of continuity.
It isn't just plug and play with most portal guys, they all have different levels of ability and experience and you never really know what you have until you get on the field.
Anytime you're playing a lot of freshmen and portal guys, you're going to struggle early.
It isn't just plug and play with most portal guys, they all have different levels of ability and experience and you never really know what you have until you get on the field.
Anytime you're playing a lot of freshmen and portal guys, you're going to struggle early.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 7:49 pm to jsmoke222000
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Brian Kelly was 34-34 vs top 25 & 4-11 vs top 10 @ notre dame. How is that considered elite?
It actually is. You're comparing him to Saban. That's the cream of the crop. There are about 300 head football coaches across divisions. 150 of them do not have that record. 50 of then do not have that record. 10 of then may have that record.
Posted on 11/1/23 at 8:01 pm to dukke v
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Would that make a difference about Kelly to you as far as a football coach???
If he won a natty every year I still wouldn't care for him personally. I would love it for LSU, but it wouldn't change my opinion of the man. I'd gladly admit that i was wrong about his coaching abilities though.
I simply do not "trust the process" nor do I believe in some magical "alignment".
To be clear, I want bk to succeed here. I want him to win multiple sec and cfp titles. I honestly believe that this is what everyone is hoping. I am simply saying that I don't think he won't do those things. My reason is that he has a track record of losing big games.
I have 12 season tickets and I'm at every home game that I am available to attend. I will always root for LSU, even with bk as the head coach. But that doesn't mean I like the guy.
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