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re: Coaches "Blown Out" in National Championship
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:50 pm to timm6971463
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:50 pm to timm6971463
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When is one td scored in the last quarter a blowout !
21-0 is always considered a blowout by everyone except the biggest homers.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:50 pm to LNCHBOX
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You left a championship game early?
I left with about 6 minutes left because I was so pissed off at Les. Went to our room, got our shite, and drove home.
Like others said it was how we lost. I went to every game home and away that season and that embarrassment had me wishing I hadn't spent a fricking dime on that season
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:51 pm to PurpleandGoldmember
purple and gold member I am not quite sure what you are a member of !
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:51 pm to Mack
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10 win Miles! Hoorayyyy! Print the shirts! He's elite!
I am actually surprised/filled with hope in the fact that this post got 2 upvotes and 21 downvotes at last check...
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:57 pm to Golfer
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It has to do with how incredible that season was and the manner in which a team with perceived national bias was allowed back into the picture. In effect, the system "told" LSU that their performance for the last 13 games was for naught and you'd have to prove yourself again. LSU couldn't "win". And for me, the lore and interest in the sport as a whole went down.
THIS
Also notice that after that game was announced, the classic slogan "Every Game Counts" was dropped.
I'm honestly glad it happened. Saves me over 3K a year on season tickets for games that really and truly are meaningless....depending on what program you play or root for.
CFB is nothing more than a beauty pageant, with the finalists determined before the contest starts. 2011 proved there is no level playing field and LSU will always be a Tier 2 team in the eyes of the media no matter how they do on the field.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 2:59 pm to timm6971463
Timm, meant to up vote you, sorry.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:05 pm to timm6971463
Many good thoughts in this one. I know for myself, I wanted that "perfect season", because that is the only scenario in my memory that I have not experienced with LSU.
Sometimes I think if JJ's problems were not resolved in 2011, it might have happened. Never hated on JJ and he did some good things as a QB. Also not interested in hurting his life for a game. He had a large role in the first Bama win.
If he sits a year, Mett is getting much more practice reps. What if he came in for Lee and beat Bama in that first one. What happens in Game 2.
Pure speculation and no one will ever know. It definitely would have helped Mett's development for 2012.
After that season, I came to realize some of my priorities were out of whack. They are playing a game that I enjoy and still do. I'm not invested as I was, but still enjoy the contests.
Sometimes I think if JJ's problems were not resolved in 2011, it might have happened. Never hated on JJ and he did some good things as a QB. Also not interested in hurting his life for a game. He had a large role in the first Bama win.
If he sits a year, Mett is getting much more practice reps. What if he came in for Lee and beat Bama in that first one. What happens in Game 2.
Pure speculation and no one will ever know. It definitely would have helped Mett's development for 2012.
After that season, I came to realize some of my priorities were out of whack. They are playing a game that I enjoy and still do. I'm not invested as I was, but still enjoy the contests.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:09 pm to Mack
10 win Miles! Hoorayyyy! Print the shirts! He's elite!
Seriously.....this is just stupid. It is incredibly difficult to win 10 games every year in the SEC West....especially having to play Florida every year. Grass is always greener.....I guess.
Seriously.....this is just stupid. It is incredibly difficult to win 10 games every year in the SEC West....especially having to play Florida every year. Grass is always greener.....I guess.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:12 pm to azcatiger
AAAAHHH shite....Oakdale! Now I get it...my bad, carry on with whatever it is you guys do all day, should have not given it a reply.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:16 pm to PurpleandGoldmember
I think the zero part is what makes it more embarrassing.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:19 pm to CBandits82
CBandits82 who is your avatar.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:38 pm to PurpleandGoldmember
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In a recent thread, a lot of peeps on here said they were not the same fans that they were before LSU lost to Bama in the National Championship. I just don't see how that is possible. I went through all the championships since 1990 and found all the "big time" coaches and programs that have lost big in a championship setting. I wonder if their fanbases are as negative and jaded as ours
Great post and good job researching. I would disagree on one point, however. I don't really believe you could say LSU got blown out in the manner of the other teams you listed. While LSU had a stagnant offense it was still only a 15-0 game until Trent scored in the waning minutes as the tacklers were grabbling for the ball. To that point the defense held them to 5 five field goals. They were only one play away from it being a one score game, just was not their night.
You also left out the LSU win over Ohio State in 2007.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:38 pm to PurpleandGoldmember
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they were not the same fans that they were before LSU lost to Bama in the National Championship.
Good lord. Losses happen people.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:40 pm to PurpleandGoldmember
If losing a game, regardless of importance, makes someone less of a fan of their team, those people never really loved LSU.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:43 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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It has to do with how incredible that season was and the manner in which a team with perceived national bias was allowed back into the picture. In effect, the system "told" LSU that their performance for the last 13 games was for naught and you'd have to prove yourself again. LSU couldn't "win". And for me, the lore and interest in the sport as a whole went down.
THIS
Also notice that after that game was announced, the classic slogan "Every Game Counts" was dropped.
I'm honestly glad it happened. Saves me over 3K a year on season tickets for games that really and truly are meaningless....depending on what program you play or root for.
CFB is nothing more than a beauty pageant, with the finalists determined before the contest starts. 2011 proved there is no level playing field and LSU will always be a Tier 2 team in the eyes of the media no matter how they do on the field.
All of this plus the BCS website
1). Contained no where in it or on it the premiss "The two best teams will play for the championship"
2). In fact what it did state is that regular season victories were rewarded with a bowl game.
That was the whole justification for the Bowls
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:45 pm to PeaRidgeWatash
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If losing a game, regardless of importance, makes someone less of a fan of their team, those people never really loved LSU.
This is BS
I can absolutely love all things LSU and think that the NCAA, ESPN and so on are a complete joke. And guess what the joke is still on us the fans of college football because the playoff committee is also complete BS of a system
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:46 pm to USARMYDasher
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It's not losing 21-0 in my opinion. It was how we lost.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:50 pm to MoreOrLes
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This is BS
I can absolutely love all things LSU and think that the NCAA, ESPN and so on are a complete joke. And guess what the joke is still on us the fans of college football because the playoff committee is also complete BS of a system
What is your perfect system?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:50 pm to Alatgr
The problem wasn't Jefferson. The problem was the offensive line. They couldn’t move the Bama D-line and they couldn’t hold them back either. There was no run game, and there was no time to pass.
If anything, Jefferson in the pocket slowed down the Bama rush because Bama used a mush rush to contain Jefferson and prevent him from running. It’s the same idea LSU used against Manziel to keep him from breaking off long runs. Slow the rush and contain the QB. Bama would not have used a mush rush against Lee because Lee is no threat to run.
So if Miles put in Lee, there’s still no run game, and now there is even less time to pass. If there is one thing Bama feasts on, it’s immobile pocket passers. Lee’s numbers against Bama confirm this fact. His QB Rating against Bama could fit in a shoe box. And people talk about the tragedy of throwing Lee into the fire during his redshirt freshman year.
During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. Prior to the Bama game, Lee averaged less than 20 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards: 213 yards against Mississippi State. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient.
Efficient works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focuses on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee.
LSU should not have been playing Bama. LSU beat Bama at their house in the Game of the Century. You play the hand you’re dealt, but it was a raw deal.
Bama was playing for redemption. Bama had lost with their prior offensive strategy, so they were forced to abandon it. Saban took the ball out of Richardson’s hands and made McCarron win the game. Bama threw on nearly every first down. It was a risky strategy, but what did Bama have to lose. They had already lost to LSU trying to run the ball. McCarron had a terrific night; thus, the strategy worked.
Even though Bama had flipped its offensive strategy, it does not necessarily mean that LSU should have. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we know now that LSU’s plan did not work. However, LSU trailed Georgia 10-0 and at the half in the SECCG. The offense was atrocious the first half but came around in the second half, and LSU blew out Georgia. With a few dozen plays left, it was not unreasonable for Miles to go with the strategy that worked so well in the SECCG. It was at least as reasonable as trying a QB that was the antithesis of the ideal QB to use against Bama.
If anything, Jefferson in the pocket slowed down the Bama rush because Bama used a mush rush to contain Jefferson and prevent him from running. It’s the same idea LSU used against Manziel to keep him from breaking off long runs. Slow the rush and contain the QB. Bama would not have used a mush rush against Lee because Lee is no threat to run.
So if Miles put in Lee, there’s still no run game, and now there is even less time to pass. If there is one thing Bama feasts on, it’s immobile pocket passers. Lee’s numbers against Bama confirm this fact. His QB Rating against Bama could fit in a shoe box. And people talk about the tragedy of throwing Lee into the fire during his redshirt freshman year.
During 2011, "efficient" is the single word that defined Lee. You'll be hard pressed to find a post about Lee without the word "efficient" just a few words away. The thing about being defined as “efficient” is that it means that you aren’t a prolific passer; you don’t throw it a lot. In fact, it typically means that the offense is run-oriented and passes infrequently. Prior to the Bama game, Lee averaged less than 20 passes per game. Lee had only one game in 2011 in which he threw for more than 200 yards: 213 yards against Mississippi State. Lee wasn’t a prolific passer. He was efficient.
Efficient works when your team can run the ball effectively. Efficient means that the defense is focused on stopping the run. Efficient means that the defense is not expecting a pass. Efficient means that you have time to throw because the defense is not focuses on stopping the pass. Efficient does not work when you aren’t running well. Efficient does not work when your line can’t block. Bama’s D was suffocating that night. Bama would have killed Lee.
LSU should not have been playing Bama. LSU beat Bama at their house in the Game of the Century. You play the hand you’re dealt, but it was a raw deal.
Bama was playing for redemption. Bama had lost with their prior offensive strategy, so they were forced to abandon it. Saban took the ball out of Richardson’s hands and made McCarron win the game. Bama threw on nearly every first down. It was a risky strategy, but what did Bama have to lose. They had already lost to LSU trying to run the ball. McCarron had a terrific night; thus, the strategy worked.
Even though Bama had flipped its offensive strategy, it does not necessarily mean that LSU should have. Hindsight is always 20/20, and we know now that LSU’s plan did not work. However, LSU trailed Georgia 10-0 and at the half in the SECCG. The offense was atrocious the first half but came around in the second half, and LSU blew out Georgia. With a few dozen plays left, it was not unreasonable for Miles to go with the strategy that worked so well in the SECCG. It was at least as reasonable as trying a QB that was the antithesis of the ideal QB to use against Bama.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 3:50 pm to timm6971463
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When is one td scored in the last quarter a blowout !
That is why I put "blown out" in quotes
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