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Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:16 pm to tiger20
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but it would take a hell of a lot longer to describe the positives.
Look, I was a huge LSU basketball fan, but DB is a lunatic who's total impact on LSU basketball was at best neutral.
That said, the other day I posted a thread about the best single play in LSU Sports History, and listed the Anthony Wilson shot at the end of the KY game as one of the possibilities.
I don't know DB and have no ax to grind, but he had a ton of negatives associated w/ him. That's just the facts.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:19 pm to specs1
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What was the deal w/ the Ron Abernathy, LAX Airport w/ suitcase full of cash, in recruitment of John Williams?
What about the Fab Five at Michigan? They got a slap on the wrist compared to what LSU received. Who can forget the scandal at Notre Dame and no sanctions against them?
When the NCAA is even handed with sanctions then I will be okay with that organization, but they are not. They are selective about whom they punish and it tends to be schools from the SEC and Texas the very most while other schools committ much more egregious violations and they remain mum.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:22 pm to los angeles tiger
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When the NCAA is even handed with sanctions then I will be okay with that organization, but they are not. They are selective about whom they punish and it tends to be schools from the SEC and Texas the very most while other schools committ much more egregious violations and they remain mum.
And this is one of the areas that I would agree w/ Dale Brown and support some of his viewpoints. He was probably the most vocal critic of the NCAA often comparing them to Nazi Germany. He was constantly pushing for a stipend for athletes. His constant criticism and challenges of the NCAA made him a prized target for them. However, he was often right in this area.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:23 pm to los angeles tiger
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When the NCAA is even handed with sanctions then I will be okay with that organization, but they are not. They are selective about whom they punish and it tends to be schools from the SEC and Texas the very most while other schools committ much more egregious violations and they remain mum.
No one in the know could miss the fact that the whole ordeal was overblown by the NC2A's prolonged vendetta to bring down Dale Brown. In case people haven't noticed that bunch doesn't handle criticism well.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:24 pm to specs1
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Look, I was a huge LSU basketball fan, but DB is a lunatic who's total impact on LSU basketball was at best neutral.
In the 39 years befor his arrival LSU had 3 SEC titles and one Final Four. In a 13 year span with Brown as coachthey had three SEC titles, an SEC tourney title, a Final Four and 2 other Elite eight appearances.
Sounds like a wash to me!!!
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:24 pm to RANDY44
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In case people haven't noticed that bunch doesn't handle criticism well.
Correct. See my previous post.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:30 pm to RANDY44
There are several references to the Lester Earl fiasco, & there is no doubt that LSU got screwed on that one. But, when a HC actually challenges the NCAA, openly & over & over again, that's like issuing a challenge to the IRS. He made an enemy & LSU had to bite the bullet because of his mouth. He called the NCAA Nazis, used the word Gestapo to describe an investigator..and that was for public consumption. If you honestly think L.Earl was the only questionable violation during Daddy Dale's time, you need to talk to some of the old timers bout Chris Jackson, John Williams,Stanley Roberts, etc etx. Suggest you go back to Sports Illustrated's archives, pull up the Crazy Days at LSU cover issue..and get an idea of the image that Dale put out there as a representative of LSU. Now, having said all this, I agree, Dale was & is a very unique individual when it comes to his charitable activities. He is a good man, no doubt. Weighing the good vs the bad, I have no problems clapping for him at games. But he was NO saint by any stretch of the imagination.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:33 pm to specs1
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Lester Earl came clean
Somehow I managed to miss this. Can someone give me a cliff notes version? Hell, can someone give me a synopsis of the allegations? The big one was Johnny Jones and a cash payment, through a third party, to Earl right? What stands out in my memory is Earl telling the NCAA that LSU got his mom a cush job and then his Mom saying that she never worked for LSU
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Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:34 pm to specs1
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Look, I was a huge LSU basketball fan, but DB is a lunatic who's total impact on LSU basketball was at best neutral.
You have a very short memory dude.
Next time you're in the Assembly Center, look up in the rafters at all the banners. Count how many were awarded from 1972 through 1997. Compare that to the number before that.
Dale Brown took LSU basketball from an SEC doormat to a national power.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:36 pm to specs1
I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance."
Bob Knight
I love when LSU fans post this stupid quote like it validates their position. This quote is an insult to LSU and Dale Brown, but it's not deserved or accurate. Knight knew he had a chance when the officials choked on themselves and didn't kick his fat arse out of the game. From that point on, he knew he could get every call. Woodside kicked the shite out of Steve Alford. It's a shame the officials allowed themselves to be bullied and intimated.
I would love to know what Knight's Indiana basketball budget was compared to Dale's at LSU. It's like comparing Les Miles budget to the Indiana football program.
The reason it's not deserved or accurate is because Dale won big with no budget like KY, UNC, UCLA, and Kansas. Dale fought for LSU and usually gave us a chance for something special. Every expectation you have for LSU basketball today is largely because of Dale. The world and coaching needs more Dale Brown's in it.
Bob Knight
I love when LSU fans post this stupid quote like it validates their position. This quote is an insult to LSU and Dale Brown, but it's not deserved or accurate. Knight knew he had a chance when the officials choked on themselves and didn't kick his fat arse out of the game. From that point on, he knew he could get every call. Woodside kicked the shite out of Steve Alford. It's a shame the officials allowed themselves to be bullied and intimated.
I would love to know what Knight's Indiana basketball budget was compared to Dale's at LSU. It's like comparing Les Miles budget to the Indiana football program.
The reason it's not deserved or accurate is because Dale won big with no budget like KY, UNC, UCLA, and Kansas. Dale fought for LSU and usually gave us a chance for something special. Every expectation you have for LSU basketball today is largely because of Dale. The world and coaching needs more Dale Brown's in it.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:50 pm to LSU92
Everyone is knocking Dale Brown's coaching abilities due to those early loses during cjackson, shaq and stanley years. People forget that we got the terrible break of playing the GT team with kenny anderson/ dennis scott and jason kidd at cal. At that time they were shocking loses and upsets, but looking a few years later seeing anderson and kidd doing what they did in the nba you cant fault DB.
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my mistake, looking at those brackets again lsu lost to higher seeded teams.
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Cremins took heart from another statistic as well: all five teams that have defeated L.S.U. in games played in the second round or beyond in the N.C.A.A. tournament have gone on to capture the national title.
my mistake, looking at those brackets again lsu lost to higher seeded teams.
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Posted on 1/24/09 at 1:55 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
I remember when Dale came to LSU - his first team was called "The Hustler's". They upset a few teams a long the way. When he traveled the state and would see a basketball goal without a net, he stopped and put a purple and gold net on it. Many years ago he was asked to speak in Lafayette at a Boy's Club Banquet. When he got there and saw what it was for he waived his speaking fee. Two summers ago my wife and I were walking up a street in Bar Harbor, Maine and I see Coach Brown walking towards us eating an ice-cream cone. He could not have been nicer - we talked for at least half an hour. I remember LSU Basketball before Coach Brown - we had flashes; Bob Petit and Pete. I appreciate what Coach Brown did for LSU.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:20 pm to LSU92
quote:Agree 100%.
I love when LSU fans post this stupid quote like it validates their position. This quote is an insult to LSU and Dale Brown, but it's not deserved or accurate. Knight knew he had a chance when the officials choked on themselves and didn't kick his fat arse out of the game. From that point on, he knew he could get every call. Woodside kicked the shite out of Steve Alford. It's a shame the officials allowed themselves to be bullied and intimated.
Knight had his players throwing moving screens against Woodside the entire second half. We still did well until the Refs started calling fouls AGAINST WOODSIDE for making contact with the moving screener. Gosh, how sweet would it have been for Wilson to have sunk that final jumper!
Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:27 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Daddy Dale did more for LSU than any other person in the 20th century. Viva la DADDY DALE!! 
Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:27 pm to brblues
Explain please. I see you are a big fan of debate. Share some of that intellect with everyone.
This post was edited on 1/24/09 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:32 pm to NC_Tigah
I briefly spoke to Woodside at the team reunion a couple of years ago. He seems like a great guy. When they finally fouled Woodside out the game turned. His effort on the court defined LSU hoops during the 86 and 87 seasons.
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Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:34 pm to LSU92
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Posted on 1/24/09 at 2:54 pm to specs1
quote:Do tell!
What was the deal w/ the Ron Abernathy, LAX Airport w/ suitcase full of cash, in recruitment of John Williams?
What was the deal w/ Tito Horford recruitment?
Spit it out specs1. One thing before you do, try it with facts only. Not what some 2nd cousin once removed said to a friend who told his parole officer etc.
Ron Abernathy? Suitcase of cash? eh?
OK . . .
How much cash? Who'd he give it to? Who'd he get it from? Who saw it? What credible source reported it? Was it investigated? What was the outcome of the investigation?
Remember, Just the facts.
Let's hear it.
Tito Horford . . . Kids say things . . . stupid things. They say them with no concept as to ramifications. On the other hand, some people (eg, specs1) are inclined to believe them. Inexplicable!
Recently Jamarkus McFarland talked about UT recruiting involving parties with any kind of drugs you can imagine, freeky nude co-eds in orgies with recruits, etc. Bet you believe that too.
In so far as the Dale Brown press conference was concerned, I think he got that just about right. The Kentucky based reporter was trying to insinuate through a "question" that Brown's LSU team was just as "dirty" as Kentucky. They weren't. However, any legitimate answer to that question would appear legitimize the premise of an unfounded question. Instead, Brown stuck it back to the hack where the sun doesn't shine.
Posted on 1/24/09 at 3:16 pm to NC_Tigah
Dale Brown is a saint to me. I followed his teams and as far as I know, he's a class act. I certainly do not know the inner workings of his tenure as coach, but this I do know. I've posted this before. Back in October when my twin brother was dying a slow and painful death, because of cancer, one of his last good and exciting moments was a couple of phone calls from Dale Brown. My twin, named Dale also, never met Coach Brown, but was a loyal and dedicated fan of LSU sports. Not only did Coach Brown call my brother while he was in the hospital on his death bed, but he sent him a couple of books and stayed in contact to the end. So for me, he's all class, he's caring, he's going beyond the call. Save the negative comments for other folks, cause they mean nothing to me. When I saw my dying brother's expression after he got off the phone with Coach Brown, the man became a Saint at that moment.
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