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re: Did anyone else hear Harvey Williams rip on George Whitfield yesterday?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:59 pm to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:59 pm to LSUAlum2001
From his list of alumni trainees:
Okay, okay...
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Harris, Brandon QB 2014 LSU
Heaps, Jake QB 2014 Miami
Heard, Jarrod QB 2014 Texas
Hempel, Conner QB 2014 Harvard
Jennings, Anthony QB 2014 LSU
Okay, okay...
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Etling, Danny QB 2014 Purdue
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Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:07 pm to LSUAlum2001
I'm not saying OP is right or wrong, but it does make sense and, if true, would explain a lot.
ETA: fix typo
ETA: fix typo
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:08 pm to LSUAlum2001
There's nothing wrong with the "throwing motion" of Harris. In fact, it's pretty much perfect, which makes it all so maddening.
The problems are his sloppy footwork and the space between his ears. It's why he can be brilliant for a stretch and then completely abysmal. Bad decisions and poor mechanics doom him. His throwing motion is just fine.
The problems are his sloppy footwork and the space between his ears. It's why he can be brilliant for a stretch and then completely abysmal. Bad decisions and poor mechanics doom him. His throwing motion is just fine.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:16 pm to saintsfan22
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Whitfield definitely has a better track record than the coaching Harris is getting here.
Wow that is a ringing endorsement!
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:27 pm to BillF
BH's feet were dogshit last week. They were so bad you didn't have to be a QB expert to see it. Looked so incredibly awkward.
If you went around throwing like that at a playground you'd get made fun of. It's crazy.
If you went around throwing like that at a playground you'd get made fun of. It's crazy.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:41 pm to BillF
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There's nothing wrong with the "throwing motion" of Harris.
Except that he had been successfully using his natural motion his whole life and Whitfield made him change it, and now he can't hit the ocean.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:13 am to SG_Geaux
anyone with moderate coordination can throw a 20-30 yard pass if they practice daily.
The idea that after years of daily drilling, a high-level athlete can't complete a 20-30 yard pass is ridiculous.
The only time you can't do something that you do repeatedly in drills is when you are nervous or you actively think about the mechanics of what you otherwise do instinctively.
BH issues are 100% mental. He either has a bad reaction to stress, or he's thinking about mechanics, which should be engrained at this point and require no thought.
The idea that after years of daily drilling, a high-level athlete can't complete a 20-30 yard pass is ridiculous.
The only time you can't do something that you do repeatedly in drills is when you are nervous or you actively think about the mechanics of what you otherwise do instinctively.
BH issues are 100% mental. He either has a bad reaction to stress, or he's thinking about mechanics, which should be engrained at this point and require no thought.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:16 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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He either has a bad reaction to stress
Oh I definitely believe it is that.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:23 am to SG_Geaux
when people talk about intangibles, that is probably the most important one. Stress causes chemical reactions in the body and someone with all the measurables can turn to mush.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:25 am to SG_Geaux
By this point in your career, no one can change your motion. I went to quarterback camps in high school and then when I was playing in college. I got back home and said "screw it." A camp isn't going to change what you've done your entire life.
Tebo, Rivers, Weurfull(sp?) never changed, no matter how much coaching they had. No one changed the throwing motion of Brandon Harris. No one ruined him. He went to a worthless camp and forgot all about it as soon as he got home.
Tebo, Rivers, Weurfull(sp?) never changed, no matter how much coaching they had. No one changed the throwing motion of Brandon Harris. No one ruined him. He went to a worthless camp and forgot all about it as soon as he got home.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 12:26 am to LSUAlum2001
George can't teach the mental part which is what BH lacks. He just seems like he's always under pressure and over compensating on the throws
Posted on 9/15/16 at 8:15 am to BillF
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There's nothing wrong with the "throwing motion" of Harris. In fact, it's pretty much perfect, which makes it all so maddening.
I know some QB coaches that say Harris has many flaws in his motion.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:32 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Stress causes chemical reactions in the body...
Stress increases cortisol...
...cortisol increases belly fat, Relacore reduces belly fat.
You need Relacore.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:52 am to Fus0623
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This really could be the issue because with those type of passes, it's about quick release and touch both of which Harris lacks at the moment. There was a story over the summer of Harris at the Manning Academy in which he was over throwing everything.
Watch the screen passes that Etling throws. On a completed underneath screen with a rush in his face, he dropped his shoulder and side armed the ball. It was placed nearly perfectly and allowed the back to turn up field and pick up a first. This is something many of the greats do. Brees does it. Favre did it. Brady does it. Harris never does it, though. He's always over the top.
Harris' motion that Whitfield has helped develop helps him on deep throws, but it also results in him overthrowing anything under about 30 yards.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 9:57 am to BillF
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No one changed the throwing motion of Brandon Harris. No one ruined him. He went to a worthless camp and forgot all about it as soon as he got home.
This is absolutely false. Go watch his high school tape then watch the Wisconsin game. He used to have a clear 3/4 delivery where he kind of whipped the ball. He doesn't do that anymore.
Posted on 9/15/16 at 10:25 am to BillF
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By this point in your career, no one can change your motion. I went to quarterback camps in high school and then when I was playing in college. I got back home and said "screw it." A camp isn't going to change what you've done your entire life.
my thoughts exactly. Your muscle memory and familiarity with a throwing motion built over 18 years isn't going to be changed in a few weeks. Sure, you can do it in drills where that's really all you're focusing on.
I'd actually argue that trying to change an imperfect throwing motion causes more harm than good, because during a game a QB is worrying too much about his mechanics rather than all the other stuff he needs to think about.
Just throw the ball.
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