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re: Disappointed in our Fans!
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:54 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:54 pm to Lester Earl
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with that being said, i think the majority of the fans booing were not booing Jarrett Lee
I usually agree with you, but you are wrong on this one, LE.
That's like saying the majority of those who booed averaged a composite 28 on the ACT. Those who booed - the majority - do not even fathom what play-calling is and how it translates to an athlete's failure. All the chatter I heard was about how "bad J Lee sucks" and not on Crowton. I wonder what pct of the 80,000 in attendence even know who Gary Crowton is and if they do, what his track record has been at other universities. I am sure the 2,000 Tech fans in attendence could tell you a lot more about Crowton than LSU fans could - yes, he was their coach and led them to a 9-2 season. Still, the boo birds are the average American morons. I would bet 2 percent of them attended LSU.
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Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:57 pm to tigerbill002
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Ive been quiet on here lately, but I felt the need to post something that is to me important.
Sure Im disappointed in the season. I want our team to compete for the West, the SEC, the Natl Ship. I want to see every skill player get the ball. I want to see our offense explode like I know it can. (God help the team it happens to, if it ever does). I want shutouts with very few yards. But more than anything I wish we had better fans. I wish we could recruit fans like we do players. I am most disappointed in our fans.
Now I know that the majority of the fan base is loyal and supportive, but theres a division out there that arent. I dont care about the negatigers. If you have an objective opinion, sure let it be known this is a message board. But to criticize our players the way this site does and to boo a player is disgraceful. Im ashamed of the fans booing in tiger stadium. The only time I ever recall booing was against the other team.
Im sure many were booing Miles and the coaches, but many were also booing one particular player. An LSU Tiger at that. Whats the damn point of having a home game without home field and the home crowd advantage. Do boos really make you play better. I think not. Ill remind everyone. These are kids. Teenagers. They arent professionals. They dont make millions. It matters to them when you boo. Recruits see it too. Its just disgraceful.
Our fans need a wakeup call. The last two seasons havent always been enjoyable, but the players know when they mess up. They dont need "Captain Obvious" in the stands booing them to let them know about it. Be a real fan and support "YOUR" team, "YOUR" players. Support em even when we are being kicked while down.
AMEN. I seriously miss the Hallman days when it was enjoyable to go to a game amongst true fans, not these damn bandwagoneers. These people, who probably never even attended the university, much less graduated from it, need to go back to their holes, taking their boos and disrespect of the campus (ever see it after gameday?) with them.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 10:59 pm to PiscesTiger
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That's like saying the majority of those who booed averaged a composite 28 on the ACT. Those who booed - the majority - do not even fathom what play-calling is and how it translates to an athlete's failure. All the chatter I heard was about how "bad J Lee sucks" and not on Crowton. I wonder what pct of the 80,000 in attendence even know who Gary Crowton is and if they do, what his track record has been at other universities. I am sure the 2,000 Tech fans in attendence could tell you a lot more about Crowton than LSU fans could - yes, he was their coach and led them to a 9-2 season. Still, the boo birds are the average American morons. I would bet 2 percent of them attended LSU.
Regardless, I think the point got across to the staff. If it came at Lee's expense, thats unfortunate. But something needs to change, and if that is what it takes, I'll make an exception.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:13 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, you seem to be under the mistaken impression that the staff is complete idiots that don't realize that there is a portion of the fan base that is frustrated, and that this situation can only be corrected by hearing boos and derisive comments during a game. I can assure you that they know (and no, I am not providing a link), and that such measures are not required.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:15 pm to DocBugbear
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I can assure you that they know (and no, I am not providing a link), and that such measures are not required.
they sure dont act like it
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:15 pm to Lester Earl
I have to say Saturday night was the only time I have ever felt embarrassed to be an LSU Alumni. I never thought I would see the day when our own fans were booing a Tiger in Death Valley. It is supposed to be scary environment for other teams, not our own. I will never believe that the booing was directed at the coaching staff considering the horrible things people around me where yelling toward Lee. I, a 24 year old female, turned around and put a 40+ year old man in his place. People should stop and think about if that was their child out there. I believe the coaches did Lee an injustice by putting him out on the field. It is a shame that a top program does not have a back-up QB, but that is not Lee’s fault. Every great athlete in high-school is not going to turn into a great college athlete and people fail to realize this sometimes.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:23 pm to Lester Earl
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i think the majority of the fans booing were not booing Jarrett Lee
Sir, were you at the game? I was there and beg to differ, I heard all the mumblings around me. It was a freaking disgrace. I long for the days of Charlie Mac when our guys did their best and the fans were "diehard" fans win or lose. I never heard booing in that era. May have happened, but I never heard it. I have heard boos in every game I've attended the last two years. My son has started talking about it and is not even sure if he wants to go anymore. Pathetic. It is hard to even imagine that you can take up for that behavior, unless you are one of the so-called fans that boo that is.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:25 pm to Lester Earl
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they sure dont act like it
What would you have Les do? Criticize coaches and players in the press so that you can hear about it and in the process hurt morale and recruiting? No, these things should be discussed in private. Last year everybody was up in arms because Les refused to call out the Co-DC's in the press because he was "ignoring" the problem. At the end of the year, he still didn't call them out in the press, but the appropriate changes were made.
I can guarantee you that Les is not happy with our offensive performance, but he is not one to interfere with what his coordinators are doing (though he has apparently expressed his displeasure to GC). At times this may be difficult to accept due to the wait involved, but handling his staff in this way should help us in attracting the best coaches for his staff. So if you want to bitch and moan, fine... bitch and moan, but don't boo the players that are working their asses off to make LSU football better.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:28 pm to DocBugbear
How the hell do you boo a team that is always in the top 10?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:28 pm to DocBugbear
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I can guarantee you that Les is not happy with our offensive performance, but he is not one to interfere with what his coordinators are doing (though he has apparently expressed his displeasure to GC).
so you want him to be quiet at the expense of losing??
sorry, but I dont want a coach like that. You make changes when needed, not at the end of the season so you dont step on anyone's toes.
if thats how's he's thinking he should have been fired yesterday
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:32 pm to Lester Earl
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You make changes when needed, not at the end of the season
Exactly what change would you have him make? Any decent replacement coaches currently have positions coaching with other teams. Players have to be recruited/developed years in advance. What is this magical fix that you could be referring to?
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:38 pm to DocBugbear
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Exactly what change would you have him make?
Im not talking about firing people.
The offensive playcalling this year hasn't left you feeling empty and scratching your head?
you dont think we could have attempted to do more on offense vs FL and Bama to potentially try and win those games?
why do we continually run the option with Jefferson? he's horrible at it.
why do we continually run the option to the short side???
why hasn't Shepard played more?
why take Keiland Williams out of the game vs Tech when he was straight up skull fricking them?? Why throw 4 straight passes after he ripped off 5 runs of 51 yards?
why didnt Charles Scott, the best returning back in the SEC not get 20 carries in 1 game before he got hurt???
why arent other good teams not struggling to score vs Washington, Vandy, ULL, UGA, Miss St, LA Tech????? What the frick?? seriously
shite, I could probably go on, but I dont feel like getting more pissed off.
The offense has been a disaster this year.
This post was edited on 11/17/09 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:44 pm to Lester Earl
Good point up brought today by Verge on Songy's show.
The 150 recruits sitting in the stands are something to think about, regardless who we're booing.
The 150 recruits sitting in the stands are something to think about, regardless who we're booing.
Posted on 11/17/09 at 11:45 pm to Lester Earl
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The offensive playcalling this year hasn't left you feeling empty and scratching your head?
you dont think we could have attempted to do more on offense vs FL and Bama to potentially try and win those games?
why do we continually run the option with Jefferson? he's horrible at it.
why do we continually run the option to the short side???
why hasn't Shepard played more?
why take Keiland Williams out of the game vs Tech when he was straight up skull fricking them?? Why throw 4 straight passes after he ripped off 5 runs of 51 yards?
why didnt Charles Scott, the best returning back in the SEC not get 20 carries in 1 game before he got hurt???
why arent other good teams not struggling to score vs Washington, Vandy, ULL, UGA, Miss St, LA Tech????? What the frick?? seriously
shite, I could probably go on, but I dont feel like getting more pissed off.
The offense has been a disaster this year.
I actually agree with everything you said Lester. Wonders never cease.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:11 am to Lester Earl
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Im not talking about firing people.
The offensive playcalling this year hasn't left you feeling empty and scratching your head?
I'm not saying that I'm happy with the play calling, but Les leaves that to GC. Les is not going to do someone's job for them (which as I said, will serve us well in hiring coaches in the future). If he isn't happy with their performance he will make changes when the season ends (and I'll be surprised if some changes aren't made).
Nonetheless, booing the players is not going to change this (no matter how angry you are), and it is detrimental to the team. So why exactly do you want to do this? Just to make yourself feel better? Even when it hurts the team? Please, explain this to me...
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:17 am to DocBugbear
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Les is not going to do someone's job for them (which as I said, will serve us well in hiring coaches in the future)
You either say something and change, or continue to lose or eek out ugly wins against teams that have business playing on the same field as you.
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. If he isn't happy with their performance he will make changes when the season ends
That's a horrible attitude that could cost him his job. I seriously hope he doesnt think like you, but it seems that he does.
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Nonetheless, booing the players is not going to change this (no matter how angry you are),
Did you watch the Tech game?
wonder why Keiland Williams miraculously came back on the field to run the ball down their throats after people booed.
something to think about.
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So why exactly do you want to do this? Just to make yourself feel better? Even when it hurts the team? Please, explain this to me...
Huh? I already said i dont agree with booing the players. It's hard to draw the line on exactly who the booing was directed towards. I tend to think it was to the staff, and not Lee. Others will disagree.
As I have said, if that is going to send the message, even at Lee's expense, then Im all for it. I just want LSU to win and be successful. The turd they call the offense this year has the fans reeling. It's been horrible. Absolutely disgusting. To the point where I can all most accept the "possible" booing of a player to convey the message of that isnt acceptable at LSU.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:18 am to PiscesTiger
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The 150 recruits sitting in the stands are something to think about, regardless who we're booing.
I doubt they had 150 recruits there
but the shitty offense display and playcalling is something they prob should factor in more than a few boos to a player and staff that wasnt getting it done.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:33 am to tigerbill002
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Sure Im disappointed in the season. I want our team to compete for the West, the SEC, the Natl Ship. I want to see every skill player get the ball.
This is the main problem i have with fans. Before the season started no one thought we were going to win the west or compete for the national title. Fans betting on a 10 win season were called delusional now that we are 2 wins away from that people are freaking out and calling for heads to roll. I just dont get it? And no Saban and Gruden will never be head Coach of LSU... Idiots need to get that out of their head.
Posted on 11/18/09 at 12:54 am to tigerbill002
7 completions against La Tech
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Posted on 11/18/09 at 7:19 am to tigerbill002
I do feel this fanbase of ours has dropped a few notches in the "class" department. Of course alot of that judgment comes down from seeing what's posted on this board and a smaller portion coming from seeing them at games.
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