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re: Do you consider Miles aggressive? Unorthodox?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 am to L S Usetheforce
Posted on 8/26/09 at 8:59 am to L S Usetheforce
quote:No, because Miles' playcalls are "calculated," and thus not "aggressive." Which, by that logic, makes him a far, FAR better coach than anyone SFP would call "aggressive," since they just make playcalls willy nilly without consideration or calculation.
So Miles 4th down percentage and mindset to play for victory as compared to his counterpart Saban who LOVED to play D and kick fg's doesn't fit in the agressive category?
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Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
"i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season. one way or another we always seem to end up right with them until the end"
What? How about VT in 2007? 48-7 over a team that won the ACC and was with in a 4th and 20 against BC of going to the BCS title game.
What? How about VT in 2007? 48-7 over a team that won the ACC and was with in a 4th and 20 against BC of going to the BCS title game.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:VA Tech comes to mind, and there are others, but you will shoot that thought down as "I wouldn't consider those good teams".
i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:01 am to STEVED00
The media loves to use the "gambler" description for Miles bc of the UF game in '07 when he went for it on all those 4th downs, but in reality he really had no choice other than to go for it all those times. It actually would have been poor coaching if he wouldn't have gone for it IMO.
I think Miles is neither overly aggressive or overly conservative. I think he does a great job of picking his spots when it comes to taking chances.
I think Miles is neither overly aggressive or overly conservative. I think he does a great job of picking his spots when it comes to taking chances.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:01 am to L S Usetheforce
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If passing = aggressiveness, and running = conservatism
If this is the case, then Matt Jones is the best athlete in the SEC's history.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 9:04 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:05 am to lsu xman
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does miles even put his hand into the play calling that much?
I think he tried to hand cuff crowton and the QB situation late in the year last season.
we went from 4 and 5 wide spread, to I formation 2 TE...
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season.
virginia tech?
but that wasn't an SEC team...
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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we often play to just stick with these teams
miles belief is to keep the game close to win in the end it seems (for the regular season games)
when in reality, he has the players to be scoring a lot more points.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:08 am to TheDoc
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don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season
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but that wasn't an SEC team
All "good" SEC teams are so evenly matched with LSU in terms of talent that there really isn't going to be any "separation" from them. All of the games are going to be close and nail biters, that's why it's the SEC.
So the argument is a non-starter.
ETA: not talking about the SEC cellar dwellars, talking about the SEC hierarchy, FLA GA BAMA, etc.
This post was edited on 8/26/09 at 9:10 am
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
"what's funny to me is we often play to just stick with these teams, then at the very end he's like, frick it, now we go for the win"
I never thought of it that way ... but it does kinda seem that way!
Miles may be like the easy-going guy who takes crap off people all night and then finally (and maybe irrationally) decides he has had enough, blows up and starts looking to whoop some a$$!
I never thought of it that way ... but it does kinda seem that way!
Miles may be like the easy-going guy who takes crap off people all night and then finally (and maybe irrationally) decides he has had enough, blows up and starts looking to whoop some a$$!
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Down 10 with 8 minutes left in the 3rd quarter means "no choice" but to fake the field goal on 4th and 5 instead of kicking the 42 yarder? Really? That's your understanding of coaching? So every coach that kicks a FG down 10 or more with less than 23 minutes to go in the game is just throwing in the towel and not trying to win? Really?
and the fourth downs against UF don't count. going for the TD was the right move there, and was aggressive, but all the other ones we HAD to go for. time was running out and we were down. you always go for 4th downs when time is running out and you're down
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:11 am to L S Usetheforce
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i don't know if we've ever separated in a game against a good team in the regular season.
quote:
Virgina Tech
South Carolina
Notre Dame
Miami
Georgia Tech
Ohio State
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:12 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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All of the games are going to be close and nail biters
so LSU has never beaten the pants off a regular season SEC team?
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:12 am to SlowFlowPro
i pretty much agree with you, sfp as i think miles is fairly conservative. in games against tough opponents, it seems like our offense in the first half is very conservative. it's like we are feeling out our opponents and looking for a weakness. we have gotten a little behind a lot at the half, then bring in more of the playbook in the 3rd qtr and them seem to wear out many of our opponents in the 4th qtr with "up the middle" smashes. a large part of football, in my view, is blocking, tackling, minimizing turnovers and managing the clock. if one plays great defense, that philosophy wins games and therefore wins championships. the philosophy of opening your offense up the whole game produces some spectacular results some times, but doesn't seem to be viable over an entire season. ole miss really controlled tech's offense in the cotton bowl and uf really controlled ou's in the nc game. for sure, tech would have won that game if they would have been able to play power football after taking a good lead. in summary, i don't want us to play flag football.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Not sure if this was miles or crowton, but telling JL to go for the deep TD pass to Lafell vs BAMA in OT when it was 3rd and 6 on the 21yd line?
i would say thats pretty aggressive when your QB has already thrown 3INT's.
i would say thats pretty aggressive when your QB has already thrown 3INT's.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:16 am to lsu xman
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i would say thats pretty aggressive when your QB has already thrown 3INT's.
or dumb/stubborn
however, I don't think that was his primary receiver on the play.
byrd was on a crossing route near the goal line, wide open.
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:16 am to Ace Midnight
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If passing 50+ times per game is the overriding statistic in your mind that means aggressiveness,
you can run a horizontal spread and still not be that aggressive. this is actually what UO fans said about crowton
part of it is scheme, part of it is player usage, part of it is playcalling, mainly it is overall philosophy. it's a bunch of things in my mind, which makes it an interesting discussion
it's more than just throwing it a bunch. UF is a rushing team and they're really aggressive on offense
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:18 am to L S Usetheforce
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Define good team? Virgina Tech
ok other than VT, we don't separate from good teams. you're right i completely forgot about that assbeating
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South Carolina made a bowl game
which year did we separate in the game against USC?
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Notre Dame was in the BCS albeit unfairly, Miami was top 10, Georgia Tech had rushed for an avg 300 yards in it's last 3 games, Ohio State was in the National Championship
regular season
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:19 am to King Joey
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No, because Miles' playcalls are "calculated," and thus not "aggressive."
so your stance is that aggression can't be calculated? i never said that
Posted on 8/26/09 at 9:21 am to L S Usetheforce
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Matt Jones is the best athlete in the SEC's history
i'm still waiting on a better pure athlete than a 6-4ish, 240ish lb guy running sub 4.4 with insane vert, braod jump, etc
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