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re: Do you think the refs really cheat at Auburn?
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:18 pm to ctiger69
Posted on 9/16/08 at 10:18 pm to ctiger69
LSU is really screwed if Dan Moore is one of the refs in this game. He was the field judge in the 2006 game that waved off the flag. He also happened to be the same ref that allowed AU to rekick the extra point in the 2004 game.
And yes the replay offical( trying to remember his name) in 2006 was an auburn alumni and booster. He had kids going to auburn also. He has an insurance agency about 20 miles from Auburn.
And yes the replay offical( trying to remember his name) in 2006 was an auburn alumni and booster. He had kids going to auburn also. He has an insurance agency about 20 miles from Auburn.
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Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:17 pm to PanhandleTigah
quote:Two things:
I highly doubt that...the SEC bigwigs did NOTHING in 2006. Why would the zebras fear them this year?
1) the consistent pattern from 2004 to 2006, plus the fact that they also screwed Florida in '06, and the efforts of many (mostly LSU fans) to keep the story alive despite the best efforts of many (sadly including some LSU fans) to kill it, have led to a situation of significantly higher awareness going into the game this time. Instead of people watching and eventually (after several screwed up calls) thinking, "hey, this officiating seems all out of whack"; this year they will be going into the game thinkings, "well, the officiating at Auburn in these games has been really fricked up lately; are they going to do it again?" So the first time they do anything shady, everyone will simply see it as confirmation of what they already suspect, and the customary denials and spin won't likely work.
And (even more importantly) 2) money. The bullshite refs at Auburn cost the SEC a buttload of exposure by preventing the greatest matchup that could have been in the '06 season: undefeated #1 Florida playing 1-loss -- to Florida -- #3 LSU in the SECCG with an SEC Title and a ticket to face Ohio State for the National Championship on the line. With OSU already locked in and the SECCG winner pretty much guaranteed the other slot, that would have been the most watched SECCG ever.
But, because of the bullshite refs at Auburn, they got Florida vs. Arkansas. I think the SEC might remember that, especially with Auburn again hosting two SEC national championship contenders who could very well be meeting in the SECCG to decide who goes to Miami.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:20 pm to BamaJD88
quote:Because until this year the home team was able to select the replay booth official. The one in charge who made the critical bullshite calls against both LSU and Florida in '06 turned out to be an Auburn booster.
Just asking, but how would Auburn arrange to have a ref team in place that was favorable to them on any particular weekend? Don't the teams (of refs) rotate around the league to some degree?
That practice, as I understand it, has been changed. I think the SEC now selects the replay team.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:29 pm to BCLA
quote:Ah. So when the officials ruled a 3rd down pass incomplete when our receiver caught the ball, he should have done . . . what, exactly, instead?
LSU beat themselves
When our receiver ran a route to get open and JaMarcus threw the ball to him and he was tackled by the defender, he should have done . . . what, exactly, instead?
When Ronnie Prude did an entirely legal jump to try and block the extra point, and the ref called it a personal foul under a rule that did not make it a personal foul -- so much so that the NCAA rules committee made a special ruling the following week to clarify that the situation in that game was *not* a personal foul under the rules, and to ensure that such an incorrect call would never be made again -- Prude should have done . . . what, exactly, instead?
It really is sad how many people out there actually buy this absurd notion that bad officiating -- even corrupt, cheating officiating -- somehow cannot dictate the outcome of a game because the team that loses is somehow supposed to just "overcome." As if there is some play that could be drawn up that beats a holding call, or a defensive scheme that matches up well with a bullshite pass interference call.
Posted on 9/16/08 at 11:31 pm to raparoot
Posted on 9/17/08 at 12:33 am to raparoot
YES
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:18 am to raparoot
quote:
These refs this weekend will be scrutinized closely by the SEC bigwigs but the cheating won't determine the outcome
Where did you get this gem of information?- quote your source
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:37 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:
Last Sat against MSU we had several holding calls that were quite questionable
They must have been holding up the Moo State DL waiting for the chop block to come. Damn, you guys really are missing Chaz, aren't you.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 5:44 am to raparoot
The last game at Auburn was a patern that should have been looked at. About 4 plays in the first half and 3 in the second. Calls or no calls. Hoping that I am totally wrong. I believe that LSU needs to blow Auburn out to win at Auburn.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 7:35 am to King Joey
quote:
And (even more importantly) 2) money. The bullshite refs at Auburn cost the SEC a buttload of exposure by preventing the greatest matchup that could have been in the '06 season: undefeated #1 Florida playing 1-loss -- to Florida -- #3 LSU in the SECCG with an SEC Title and a ticket to face Ohio State for the National Championship on the line. With OSU already locked in and the SECCG winner pretty much guaranteed the other slot, that would have been the most watched SECCG ever.
In theory, this idea is good, but remember, the SEC still had two BCS teams in 2006: LSU and UF. So, in essense, it still worked out for the SEC. They got their money in the end.
To answer the question of this thread: yes, they do cheat. I will just leave it at that!
Enjoy the game!
Posted on 9/17/08 at 7:37 am to raparoot
quote:/thread
I do, but can't prove it.
/issue
/whining
/paranoia
/case
Posted on 9/17/08 at 7:39 am to xiv
quote:
I do, but can't prove it.
/thread
/issue
/whining
/paranoia
/case
LOL. That's one way to look at it.
But, you know the saying: it it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....
Posted on 9/17/08 at 7:48 am to King Joey
quote:Here we go again, Joey. I promise I'll keep the gloves on.
When our receiver ran a route to get open and JaMarcus threw the ball to him and he was tackled by the defender, he should have done . . . what, exactly, instead?
The pass was uncatchable. Contact or no contact. It was an uncatchable pass because the pass was too far behind Doucet for him to have a decent shot at the ball.
That was the officials' opinion, and that's what counts--nothing else. Yes, I said "opinion." It is that very opinion that determines whether pass interference can be called.
Now, should anything have been called?
Yes.
Two penalties.
1) Illegal contact downfield. An eligible receiver was tackled/held. Five yards, first down. This is a play that is missed probably 1/3 of the time. For it to be a no-call here is not a shocker. shite happens.
2) After the play was over, an Auburn player removed his helmet on the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct. 15 yards, first down. This also happens from time to time without being called. shite happens.
But not pass interference.
It was not pass interference, and there is not one bit of evidence that has ever been presented that even begins to suggest that it was.
LSU lost because shite happened and they didn't score enough points. They also lost because you, King Joey, won't stop whining. And your whining about this game two years later this week is hurting LSU's chances of winning. So please, be a true Tiger fan, tell me I'm right, and let it go.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:00 am to xiv
quote:
The pass was uncatchable. Contact or no contact. It was an uncatchable pass because the pass was too far behind Doucet for him to have a decent shot at the ball.
The TD before halftime to Lafell may be the one he's referring to.
There were more than two bad calls in that game.
quote:
LSU lost because shite happened and they didn't score enough points. They also lost because you, King Joey, won't stop whining. And your whining about this game two years later this week is hurting LSU's chances of winning. So please, be a true Tiger fan, tell me I'm right, and let it go
You know, xiv, it could be possible that there are people who know for a fact that you are wrong. Does that mean they aren't true tiger fans? LOL.
I've said it once here, and I will say it again:
Football is meant for entertainment. Treat it as such. If you have to convince yourself it is like wrestling sometimes, then do so. You will be a lot happier if you did.
Enjoy the game!
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:04 am to xiv
quote:
It was not pass interference, and there is not one bit of evidence that has ever been presented that even begins to suggest that it was.
XIV, the evidence is this! The live call was pass interference, automatic first down LSU
this was announced to the crowd of 90k fans, then Tubby made a case the ball was tipped.
illegal contact is contact beyond 5 yards
this was pass interference, and yes it was a huge play and reversal call..
The refs got it right live, then reversed it with out really reviewing conclusively, that Doucet could not catch the ball..
When the receiver is being tackled before the ball is tipped and the ball is tipped 1 yard in front of the receiver, you can't reverse the live call late in the game.
Now if the ball was tipped at the line of scrimmage, then we have a different conversation, but it wasn't..
Huge play that cost LSU Atlanta!
not to mention the other 14 calls that were missed! Watch the tape, LSU was raped that game..
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:06 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Assuming that Lafell would have caught the ball (and I assume that he probably would have done so), yes, LSU was fisted on that one.
The TD before halftime to Lafell may be the one he's referring to.
quote:These people know nothing about football. I, on the other hand, know everything about football.
You know, xiv, it could be possible that there are people who know for a fact that you are wrong.
quote:Oh no you didn't!
Football is meant for entertainment. Treat it as such. If you have to convince yourself it is like wrestling sometimes, then do so. You will be a lot happier if you did.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:10 am to ApexTiger
quote:I think you and I may have differing opinions regarding the distance between Doucet and the ball at the point of the tip. I'm thinking more like 10 feet.
and the ball is tipped 1 yard in front of the receiver
quote:Officials can confer and reverse virtually any call at any point in the game.
you can't reverse the live call late in the game.
Assuming that the ball was uncatchable, there can be no pass interference. If the officials say that the ball is uncatchable, then the ball is uncatchable. It's a matter of opinion, and I agree with their opinion on this matter. No way Doucet has a shot at catching that one 10 feet away from him against his body.
Defensive holding would have been the only correct call on this play. It saddens me that people don't see that this is obvious.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:15 am to xiv
quote:
These people know nothing about football. I, on the other hand, know everything about football.
Well damn. And I thought I was the smartest person alive when it came to football.
quote:
Oh no you didn't!
I did! Trust me, it is a beautiful thing when you "let go".
Now, when I see a bad call, I think of the WWE ref that takes forever to slap his arm down for the "three count". It is kinda funny, but relaxing all at the same time.
Football = entertainment. Sometimes, some things aren't just meant to be. LSU beating Auburn in 2006 wasn't in the cards for us. Things did work out in the end: LSU went to a BCS game and won, while AU played at 10AM in the Cotton Bowl.
Maybe in some small way, justice was served, but back-to-back Crystal Balls would have been nice.
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:23 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Instances like this upset me because professional wrestling is real.
Now, when I see a bad call, I think of the WWE ref that takes forever to slap his arm down for the "three count".
Posted on 9/17/08 at 8:33 am to raparoot
Not in the least. They've made some awful calls though.
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