- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Winter Olympics
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Doug Moreau was 100% spot on
Posted on 10/12/09 at 5:56 pm to Blue Guru
Posted on 10/12/09 at 5:56 pm to Blue Guru
The coaches are calling plays in the kiddie pool to prevent having two QB's with no confidence from throwing picks so they've scared JJ from trying to do much of anything. He needs to open up and take chances and work on getting rid of the ball faster.
I know, I know. Master of the obvious.
JJ isn't an INT machine, but as hard as they work on helping him prevent them, he's thrown two in the last two games that, in my opinion, were really at bad times that prevented possible scoring opportunities that weren't far off.
I know, I know. Master of the obvious.
JJ isn't an INT machine, but as hard as they work on helping him prevent them, he's thrown two in the last two games that, in my opinion, were really at bad times that prevented possible scoring opportunities that weren't far off.
1
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:02 pm to Run DMC
quote:
Doug said it best. "Jefferson looks uncomfortable every time he drops back to pass, whether in the shotgun, under center, or rolling out. He locks on LaFell at the beginning of every pass play and if JoJo is covered he has no idea what to do so he just takes off running."
This myth has quickly morphed into fact in all your minds - the people who either want Lee no matter what, or place way too much blame on Jefferson. The simple facts are that 1) he's getting sacked 6-7 times a game, and we still can't run the ball, run draws, screens or anything else to negate any of the pass rush, 2)nobody has a "pocket presence" when their arse is on the ground and they're getting sacked by every DL over and over, left, right and from the middle, 3)and, no shite, he's holding the ball too long - I would too, if my coaches told me that's what my job depended upon after last years' debacle.
This is 80% coaching and 20% our OL sucking, and I would say more like 60/40 but I blame most of our OL sucking on coaching.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:08 pm to bulmoss
quote:
The coaches are calling plays in the kiddie pool to prevent having two QB's with no confidence from throwing picks so they've scared JJ from trying to do much of anything. He needs to open up and take chances and work on getting rid of the ball faster.
I know, I know. Master of the obvious.
If your post had been up before I finished mine... I wouldn't have even bothered with mine.
But, I will say this... last years' excuse was that Jefferson didn't know the plays so they couldn't play him, coaches not prepared to have to prepare him...etc.
That excuse doesn't fly this year, AT ALL. If our coaches are in any way limited by Jefferson's grasp of the offense... then it's time to go to plan B. But, if it's our coaches that are, like you say, choking Jefferson with the leash, that's on them.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:19 pm to LA007
Posted on 10/12/09 at 6:36 pm to Prominentwon
quote:if you took his entire season stats so far and told me that they occurred over three games instead of 6 i'd agree.
at least he has good stats
I know you're being sarcastic BTW; this is for the ranters still scarred from Lee last year that they think the most important stat is interceptions.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:26 pm to drexyl
quote:
this is for the ranters still scarred from Lee last year that they think the most important stat is interceptions
I agree. We scored points last year. We played from behind a lot because of our defense but the offense seemed to at least have an identity.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:38 pm to biglego
quote:but this makes no sense because both were recruited by the current offensive staff. For use in THIER system.
If it isnt Crowton's fault that JJ isn't improving, then it mustn't have been Crowton's fault that JL didnt improve last year. Which means...both players just suck and the coaches cant do anything with them.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:46 pm to Run DMC
quote:Not reading the whole thread, but you and Doug are wrong. The reason JJ locks onto a target is the same reason JL locked onto a target - Crowton is telling these guys who to throw it to ( see my quote from the ESPN article in this thread ). The difference is JL forced it, while JJ holds it.
Go back and watch the game on the geaux zone and then come back and post what you think was the problem. I just watched the whole game.
It is not Crowton. Jefferson has absolutely NO pocket presence.
Doug said it best. "Jefferson looks uncomfortable every time he drops back to pass, whether in the shotgun, under center, or rolling out. He locks on LaFell at the beginning of every pass play and if JoJo is covered he has no idea what to do so he just takes off running."
No question he is 100% right. He is limited as a quarterback. All of you know it. We have to have some vertical threat in the passing game and JJ does not give us that.
And don't give me the whole JJ is a young quarterback BS. Jacory Harris is the same age and he has total reins of Miami's offense.
Watch the video. It speaks for itself
The problem most certainly IS Crowton.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:49 pm to RelocatedPelican
quote:you want me to read through a 10 page thread to find a quote from a espn article? WoW thanx!
Not reading the whole thread, but you and Doug are wrong. The reason JJ locks onto a target is the same reason JL locked onto a target - Crowton is telling these guys who to throw it to ( see my quote from the ESPN article in this thread ). The difference is JL forced it, while JJ holds it.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:52 pm to dreaux
quote:
The difference is JL forced it, while JJ holds it.
JJ has two INT's in the last two games, one in the end zone. He also has had many INT's dropped.
I don't buy it. He could easily have 10 INT's right now.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:55 pm to dreaux
Fair enough!
ESPN Article
I have no doubt - especially after reading the other thread - that Crowton is forcing these QB's hands; ie. 'you throw it to this guy' instead of letting them find the open man.
ESPN Article
quote:
Crowton told Jefferson to throw a play-action pass to Brandon LaFell on second down. But Jefferson persuaded his coach into changing the play, telling him to give it to Scott again.
I have no doubt - especially after reading the other thread - that Crowton is forcing these QB's hands; ie. 'you throw it to this guy' instead of letting them find the open man.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:04 pm to ready4something
Unfortunately JJ or JL are probably the answer for LSU. They are both good young men and good athletes, but not cutting it. We had all the eggs in the you know who basket. I say you give JJ, JL and RS some time in the games and go with the hot guy until someone steps up. I hate saying that because I hate that Spurrier does that. Next year we could see CG as the starter if RS does not develop into a passer.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:24 pm to Run DMC
I can agree with this assessment...but after 1 1/2 years in the program don't you think the OC and the QB coach should have fixed this problem....if not play someone else....
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:26 pm to JLSU20
best comment tonight JLSU20 actually make sense 
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:41 pm to LA007
quote:
This is 80% coaching and 20% our OL sucking, and I would say more like 60/40 but I blame most of our OL sucking on coaching.
JJ played no part in this? Are we not allowed to criticize his play? NO player or coach is above the interest of the team. I dont care if JJ's feelings are hurt.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:54 pm to ready4something
quote:
How can you lead men when you are scared
That young man (emphasis on young) kept getting off the mat, and giving his all. I would rather we go down guns blazing than with a whimper taking a sack on 4th down.
Watching that video reminds me-there IS a spot between the hash marks that appears to be legal to throw to. Apparently that area is a no fly zone this season. And JoJo and Richard Dickson are
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:00 pm to Run DMC
quote:
Doug said it best. "Jefferson looks uncomfortable every time he drops back to pass, whether in the shotgun, under center, or rolling out. He locks on LaFell at the beginning of every pass play and if JoJo is covered he has no idea what to do so he just takes off running."
No question he is 100% right. He is limited as a quarterback. All of you know it. We have to have some vertical threat in the passing game and JJ does not give us that.
The 66 pass receptions from 12 other receivers this season proves otherwise.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:00 pm to Run DMC
I'll have to disagree. I mean, at this point, what's the point. Then we're going to wind up talking about how Lee has pocket presence, but can't run. If our OL is getting the job done, why are we struggling with the run?
There are problems everywhere on this offense.
And if Jefferson is having pocket presence problems, or dropping too far back into the pocket, Gary needs to get that corrected, and maybe try out Lee for a little bit.
Gary is paid to manage this offense, and ultimately,the failures of our offense will all go back to him. He has 2 weeks to figure this out.
There are problems everywhere on this offense.
And if Jefferson is having pocket presence problems, or dropping too far back into the pocket, Gary needs to get that corrected, and maybe try out Lee for a little bit.
Gary is paid to manage this offense, and ultimately,the failures of our offense will all go back to him. He has 2 weeks to figure this out.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:08 pm to natethegreat
quote:
I'll have to disagree. I mean, at this point, what's the point. Then we're going to wind up talking about how Lee has pocket presence, but can't run. If our OL is getting the job done, why are we struggling with the run?
Because our passing offense is 103 out of 115. Teams load up the box. We have run the ball okay at times this year. When we went into a two tight end formation Saturday Scott got 12 yards on two plays. My two cents on the OL is this they are not doing a great job of pass blocking but they are doing an adequate job. On two sacks in the 3rd quarter JJ had 3.5 seconds in the pocket. More than enough time to check down. In the SEC 3.5 seconds can be a lifetime.
The pistol formation playbook should be burned and buried along with the option playbook.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 10:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
JJ has two INT's in the last two games, one in the end zone. He also has had many INT's dropped.
I don't buy it. He could easily have 10 INT's right now.
I've seen your posts, and, it's just stupid to say that our QB could have 10 interceptions. Be fair. It is what it is, and your analysis is shite.
Page 5 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News