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Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:35 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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Well there's a huge loss. Who really cares if there's an extra women's team no one goes to see versus a men's team?
So men's soccer draws a crowd?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:41 pm to the LSUSaint
There is no LSU men's soccer team.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:48 pm to slackster
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slackster
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I could go for something like that. I am sure it was implied, but all of that income would/should be treated like ordinary income for the average Joe and subject to FICA and income taxes.
I almost included this exact thing in my post.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 12:52 pm to CharlesLSU
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fair enough....
but, my roommate's parents were hard working poverty level (mom in a textile mill & dad was disabled) and when his sweats weren't warm enough for winter, my folks bought him a good coat.
How 'bout dem apples? AND, he wasn't the only one under similar circumstances.
That is why I advocate paying players based upon true economic NEED. The QB who drove up in a brand new Vette didn't need it.
I understand needs...but do you understand it (the coat) would have still been a necessity if he weren't in college? THings like that are an everyday NEED that would be taken care of by the families themselves if the kid wasn't in college.
When LSU goes to a childs home and talks to their family, I gaurantee you our recruiters dont' say.."just send em naked and we'll relieve you of your parenting duties" I understand poverty, but htat isn't the issue of the university to solve. My GOD, we have just offered free tuition, home, meals, travel, tudors, and all other accomodations including medical to make sure the kid will survive. Paying them MORE is dumb at best! You cannot give money to young kids and hope they spend it on a "good coat"! YOU know this as well as anyone...that isn't where that money would go, admit it!
There aren't enough people in the world to regulate that or to even evaluate "economic need"
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The QB who drove up in a brand new Vette didn't need it.
bullshite! He needed it too, he just is a cheating loser who put his team and university in harms way if he took the car illegally! But if his family is rich, good for them.
But why would he deserve less perks than anyone else? IT's unending in its regulatory possibilites and would sink college athletics in a bad wya.
Just let the kids get a job and regulate that better.
Bottom line, you CANNOT pay them. Just FORCE the university to give them any additional needs (like your good coat) and document it. What if you give a kid $100 for a coat and he goes to Fred's instead...would your parents still buy the coat and reward his bad behavior>?
Posted on 6/3/11 at 1:00 pm to the LSUSaint
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the LSUSaint
I think you and I think a lot alike.
If anyone is disagreeing with your above post - they likely have a difficulty differentiating "essential" and "non-essential" and maintain the delusionally idealized perception that most college students have solid life-skills.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 1:03 pm to Boh
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Most people don't give a shite about some undergrad that has to take out a student loan to get a history degree, but those people care about players making plays.
I think you are off base with a few of ur statements.
1st about the kids that attend a university on an academic scholly. Those kids are more likely to graduate and keep a higher gpa. In the long run all those students make the university look a whole lot better.
I had an academic scholarship to LSU. I lost it for me dicking around freshman year. I paid oos tuition for the next 4 years then opened a business in baton rouge. I have employees at LSU and brcc. Not all of them , but some, work to help pay for school. So in a sense i have done LSU and the community a favor.
Second a kid that gets a history degree is important. This person may end up teaching at the university or teaching at a school where these superior athletes attended. These teachers help communities. Help young athletes learn so that they can get into a fricking college.
Specifically speaking of LSU. Football players have a good chance to make money at the next level. More so than in other sports excluding baseball.
I think they are compensated enough. Besides, the play makers, get free shite every where they go. Big program's players live in the limelight.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:34 pm to Tigercoop40
I think that every college player should get a percentage of any merchandise sold with THEIR name on it.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:53 pm to LibraTiger
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I think that every college player should get a percentage of any merchandise sold with THEIR name on it.
I can't believe I forgot about that...
Would DEFINITELY include that in my "How to pay athletes" proposal.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 6:00 pm to yurintroubl
Do they put names on college gear? I'm pretty sure they are NOT supposed to use their likeness, only a number.
Same as on a video game. And this is to keep anyone from directly profiting off of a kids name.
I personally know an artist who sales paintings and is licensed by LSU but he can't use players who aren't finished or their names....
Same as on a video game. And this is to keep anyone from directly profiting off of a kids name.
I personally know an artist who sales paintings and is licensed by LSU but he can't use players who aren't finished or their names....
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:46 am to The_Pistol
quote:Absolutely false. Maurice Clarett was never once denied any opportunity to make money by any legal means. Instead, he CHOSE to forego his rights to make money so that he could participate in an NCAA sanctioned sport, and then broke his agreement. That is what got him into trouble. Had he simply -- at any time -- said, "I quit NCAA sports", he would have instantly been free of any NCAA restrictions on his moneymaking. Period.quote:Maurice Clarett.
Name me one athlete at any NCAA program who is prohibited from walking away and making as much money as he can through any means legal to anyone else?
quote:Eligibility issues do not apply to anyone who has not made the decision to become an NCAA athlete. I have never been ruled ineligble by the NCAA. It's not because I've never hired an agent, it's because I've never chosen to compete in an NCAA sport. If you chose to participate, then you chose to have those rules apply. That includes the ones governing whether you are eligible to participate.
No, but NCAA rules do apply to someone who hasn't decided to become an NCAA athlete. Once you've entered a contract with another agent or league, the NCAA rules you ineligible.
quote:Not the NCAA's problem because (as you accurately noted) they are not employers and they do not restrict anyone's employment; the players restrict themselves by voluntary participation. The fact that NO viable employment opportunity in football exists does not make a voluntary participation either exploitative or contrary to free market practices.
The NCAA's stance would be just fine if there were viable alternatives to that player. So why isn't there a farm club or viable alternative to the NCAA professional preparation route?
quote:But they don't. For the gazillionth time, the NCAA doesn't bar anyone from doing anything. Every single NCAA athlete is perfectly free to hire any professional representation they like at any moment. All they have to do is end their VOLUNTARY agreement not to hire such representation by leaving the ranks of NCAA athletics, which the NCAA does not bar in any way I can think of.
The only thing I want to "bind" is the ability of the NCAA to bar players from having professional representation. You know, like the coaches have.
quote:A "contract" in no way, shape or form suggests a business or professional relationship under the law. Under the law, marriage is a contract. Do you think marriage is a business arrangement that should be treated as all other businesses under the law? Hopefully not.
Even though the NCAA hides their monopolistic practice behind the ruse of amateurism, it doesn't prevent the state from declaring that there is indeed a contract between the school and the player.
In law, a contract is merely a binding agreement between two (or more) parties. It can be a business relationship, a marriage, a bet, a sale, or nearly anything else. The fact that the student athletes and their respective schools are deemed to have a contract does not suggest a non-amateur or professional status.
quote:No, it wouldn't, because the law doesn't prohibit agents from talking to athletes. It just establishes rules for them to follow, just like many other professions have regulating their behaviour. If you read the laws you linked, you will see that there are prescribed mechanisms for agents to contact and even recruit players. Again, the only issue here is that people voluntarily competing in NCAA sports, and the people who deal with those people, have to follow the rules so long as they CHOOSE to follow the rules and keep competing.
This would be like Louisiana disallowing recruiters of any out-of-state company to recruit LSU students because those students have a "contract" with the state.
quote:Do you remember where the AFC came from? Have you heard of arena football, semi-pros, the USFL, etc.? Competitors -- viable and otherwise -- abound. The fact they aren't as successful as the NFL does not mean they are not competitors. It takes a LOT more than leading the industry to show monopolistic practices.
The reality is that there aren't any viable competitors because of the NCAA/NFL monopolistic practices.
quote:Again, that's simply not the case. They can seek and acquire professional representation any time they choose to undertake a profession. Furthermore, they can even seek the benefit of advice from professional representatives in their chosen sport while still maintaining eligibility to compete in that sport in the NCAA, provided they follow the rules prescribed for such contacts.
Furthermore, state law has banned young athletes from making a fully informed decision because they've barred them from professional representation.
quote:An absurdist analogy, but also fundamentally flawed. The cattle you mention have no concious awareness of their fate as they enter that slaughterhouse, and are confined in chutes that lead to only one destination. The athletes we are discussing are roaming an open field, and only enter the NCAA chute by a concious, voluntary choice guided by a concious awareness of what awaits them. They are in fact nearly the opposite of those cattle, because they also possess the freedom to exit the chute at any point. Voluntary choice and freedom abandon that choice are so far removed from a "cattle to slaughterhouse" comparison that it is rather damning to your position that either:
Yes, you are correct that kids routinely choose to go the route of the "scholar-athlete", much in the same way that cattle routinely choose to enter the slaughterhouse.
a) your understanding of the situation is that poor, or
b) that woefully misguided analogy represents the closest thing to rational argument supporting your position.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:13 am to King Joey
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Absolutely false. Maurice Clarett was never once denied any opportunity to make money by any legal means. Instead, he CHOSE to forego his rights to make money so that he could participate in an NCAA sanctioned sport, and then broke his agreement. That is what got him into trouble. Had he simply -- at any time -- said, "I quit NCAA sports", he would have instantly been free of any NCAA restrictions on his moneymaking. Period.
This is such a simple minded ignorant statement. I wish I had the opportunity to fight you simpletons in debate over the matter. Your pathetic interpretation is so far from reality that it makes me laugh.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 10:33 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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So while many many students have to take out loans
Do those students help put a product out that returns millions and millions back to the school while being enrolled as a full time student and even allows the LSU football program to give millions to academics?
The issue is not as black and white as some like to believe and is worthy of serious discussion.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 8:28 pm to EricB
quote:In what way? "Simple minded" and "ignorant" both suggest a fundamental incorrectness. Is there anything incorrect about my statement that you could point out? Perhaps you could link to me where Clarett was forced to sign an NCAA scholarship, or prohibited at gun point from quitting the team?
This is such a simple minded ignorant statement.
quote:I see. So you laugh at people who react to real world situations as they actually are, rather than sticking to the kneejerk class envy response drilled into them by the institutionalized media programming them to hate anyone who has or makes money and perceive injustice in any situation where someone wants something someone else has?
Your pathetic interpretation is so far from reality that it makes me laugh.
Well, I would laugh at your utter lack of independent will except that it is precisely the kind of sheep mentality that is allowing the worst enemies of modern civilization to destroy it from the inside. Congratulations, you've graduated from Nero fiddling as Rome burned to the mob throwing torches at all the houses bigger than theirs.
Posted on 6/21/11 at 9:19 pm to LSUdm21
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Title IX is the fricking worst thing to ever happen to collegiate sports.
The above is a bullshite statement. You don't have a fricking clue.
PS: since Les Miles has two daughters, one of whom s a competitive athlete, he would tell you you're full of shite too.
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