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Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:28 pm to moneyg
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That's why I said Orgeron deserves all of the blame he's going to get.
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But, there is no plausible scenario where Aranda and Raymond aren't equally at fault. You can't be a yes man to the point where you end up with 4 scholarship CBs. And, you can't elephant hunt only when you have 4 scholarship CBs.
How do you say O deserves all of the blame, then say that Raymond/Aranda are equally at fault?
When the HC says "I'm the head coach, we do what I want to do," he doesn't get to pawn off his recruiting mistakes on someone else. They do what he wants, he said it.
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:36 pm to Wrinkles
Wait it was a PED test? That makes more sense. Everyone in Nola knows Rummel juices in football.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:38 pm to Wrinkles
I called it
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:38 pm to Wrinkles
I called it
Posted on 3/12/18 at 7:07 pm to Wrinkles
SOB needs to get a better Whizzinator
Posted on 3/12/18 at 8:26 pm to Wrinkles
So he was taking PEDs and gotsudorjded 2 Years but Bama players get arrested with guns and weed and NCAA has no problem with that?? Unreal frick NCAA
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:42 pm to The Baker
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Hmmm Weed and not play college football Or No weed and play for millions... Tough choice these kids have to make. Wouldn’t want to go through that decision.
The NCAA doesn’t test for recreational drugs such as weed, it’s more for performance enhancing drugs
Posted on 3/12/18 at 9:52 pm to Goldrush25
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How do you say O deserves all of the blame, then say that Raymond/Aranda are equally at fault?
I said O deserves all of the blame he's going to get. Aranda and Raymond's failures do not remove his responsibility.
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When the HC says "I'm the head coach, we do what I want to do," he doesn't get to pawn off his recruiting mistakes on someone else. They do what he wants, he said it.
If Aranda and Raymond are yes men to the point where they allowed this, that is a huge problem and worth of criticism. I doubt that happened.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:29 pm to 1999
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Told Goodrich to take a hike lol
I may be the only person on this board, but I don’t blame O for what happened with Surtain, Goodrich, and Foster. Surtain created the problem. However, unlike you, I’m not an obsessed negatiger.
What was O supposed to do? For at least two solid years, Surtain promised O and Raymond that he was all LSU and then all of a sudden informs O at 11:00 PM on the night before signing day that he isn’t coming.
Indeed, if Surtain was promising for two solid years that he was all LSU, then what was O supposed to do? Ignore him and assume he is a damn liar? Which, of course, we all know in hindsight now that he is.
Had Surtain been a decent and honest person, as opposed to a lowlife snake in the grass, after two solid years of promises, he would have informed O and Raymond that he wasn’t coming far sooner than he did. Obviously, he waited until the very last moment to please his new head coach because he is a lowlife scumbag. Either that or he is a freaking idiot.
Meanwhile, had O been informed beforehand, he certainly would have taken Goodrich immediately.
Moreover, what was O supposed to do? He went for a QB because he assumed Surtain was an honest and decent individual. Had, Surtain informed O ahead of time that he wasn’t coming after lying to him and Raymond for two solid years, O certainly would have taken Goodrich.
The whole situation was caused by Surtain, who is obviously a lowlife scumbag. Had Surtain been honest and forthright with O and Raymond like any honest decent person would, of course, we wouldn’t have ended up with Foster, but at least we wouldn’t have lost out on Goodrich. O and Raymond got played by Surtain, but what else could they have done differently? Under the circumstances, not a damn thing.
Moreover, I don’t blame O either for going after Foster ahead of Goodrich. As we should always strive to sign at least one new quarterback every year.
The whole situation sucks, but it’s not really O and Raymond’s fault. I can’t fault O’s reasoning. It’s that lying lowlife scumbag Surtain’s fault.
Posted on 3/12/18 at 11:42 pm to Goldrush25
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Why would O not be prepared to take two?
Isn't it obvious? The class was already almost full when we learned of Goodrich's interests. Meanwhile, for two solid years, Surtain promised O and Raymond that he was all LSU.
In any event, because O was under the false impression that Surtain was all LSU, O went for a QB instead of another Cornerback. Can't blame or fault him for that.
The whole situation was caused by that liar and scum bag Surtain for not informing O and Raymond that he wasn't coming until 11 PM the night before signing day.
Any decent and honest person after two solid years of promises would have informed O and Raymond that he had changed his minds far earlier than he did, but Surtain didn't inform them to score browny points with his new head coach. Either that or he is a freaking retard.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:20 am to Goldrush25
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It's his fault for not being able to take Goodrich.
So if you thought you had your cornerback in this class already sowed up and in the bag after he promised for two solid years that he was all LSU, you wouldn't have gone after a quarterback when you had the chance?
Now had Surtain played O and Raymond straight up and had informed them ahead of time that he had changed his mind like any other decent and honest human being normally would do after two solid years of promises, O would have taken Goodrich immediately as the cornerback in this class.
That's not O's fault. It's that scumbag Surtain's fault. There isn't anything there to condemn O's reasoning. Everybody else with at least half a brain would have done the same exact thing O did under the same circumstances. Indeed, how was O to know that Surtain was a scumbag?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:28 am to Space Cowboy
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That's not O's fault.
The heck it isn't. He knew the lack of depth at the cornerback position, he is the head coach, correct? What Fulton did happened before O was made the HC but there is no way you can't tell me that O had no knowledge of this two year suspension which goes back to what I said about O having firsthand knowledge of the lack of cornerback depth for next season, crap, even this season.
So this "he recruited to the team's needs" excuse you keep wearing out is not true.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:34 am to KLSU
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Not recruiting a CB this year knowing the Fulton suspension was for two years was ALL his fault! As a matter of fact you can go as far to say it was more than his fault but INCOMPETENT on his part!!
What are you smoking? Patrick Surtain, the number one cornerback in the country, promised O and Raymond that he was all LSU until he called at 11 PM the night before signing day to inform them that he wasn't coming. How is that O's fault?
Don't you think that had Surtain not waited like a lowlife scumbag until the very last moment to score browny points with his new head coach to inform coach O and Raymond that he wasn't coming, that O wouldn't have immediately accepted Goodrich's commitment immediately?
Given the circumstances, I can't fault O for anything he did. As I would have done exactly what he did.
The culprit here is not O but that lowlife scumbag Surtain for holding out to the very last moment to inform O and Raymond that he wasn't coming after promising them he was all LSU for two solid years.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:39 am to 1999
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While everyone was slobbering over O rebuilding the lines he has let the cb depth fall apart. The position LSU is most know for. My question is which wr converts next?
My question is why are all you dumb ignoramuses all panicking beforehand like females? Not to mention, the way it played out is not coach O's fault in any event. Indeed, if it is, explain what you would have done differently given the same set of circumstances.
Is it that time of the month for you? Must be.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:58 am to la_birdman
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The heck it isn't. He knew the lack of depth at the cornerback position, he is the head coach, correct? What Fulton did happened before O was made the HC but there is no way you can't tell me that O had no knowledge of this two year suspension which goes back to what I said about O having firsthand knowledge of the lack of cornerback depth for next season, crap, even this season. So this "he recruited to the team's needs" excuse you keep wearing out is not true.
So like a loon, you believe that O deliberately didn't even recruit a cornerback because he is incompetent?
Whatever, you are smoking, Einstein, package it up and put if for sale because you will get very rich very fast.
O assumed that Patrick Surtain was all LSU because for two solid years the number one cornerback in the country said he was all LSU. Had O had a crystal ball and knew beforehand that Surtain, like a lowlife scumbag, was going to back out at the very last moment instead of informing O and Raymond ahead of time after two solid years of promises like any other normal, decent, and honest individual would do, O would have accepted the other cornerback Goodrich's commitment ASAP. But that's just it, nobody knew beforehand that Surtain was going to screw over O at the very last minute to score browny points with his new head coach beforehand.
Meanwhile, given the same exact set of circumstances, there is nothing that O could have done any differently.
Obviously, your problem is you just hate O and automatically blame him for the sun rising.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 1:04 am to Space Cowboy
How old are you?
Can't be older than 20. If so, yikes! Your naivete is...impressive.
Can't be older than 20. If so, yikes! Your naivete is...impressive.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 1:06 am to Space Cowboy
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you believe that O deliberately didn't even recruit a cornerback because he is incompetent?
I didn't say deliberately, as in he was "sabotaging" the program but there is no way you can't tell me that he didn't know about nor for how long the Fulton suspension was. Like I said, he is the head coach correct?
He knew of the lack of depth and recruited one cb? ONE? Kids will change their mind when being recruited and O's supposed strength is a recruiting ace, he should know this and I think he does. With that being said, why he recruited one cb and signed none does not meet the team's needs. There's no way around that.
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your problem is you just hate O
I don't hate him at all but I sure don't trust him and I don't believe a word he says. I don't think he's what this program needs.
Your problem is that you absolve O for any wrong doings and point the finger at everyone but the person who is actually running the program.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 1:35 am to nitwit
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The failure to SIGN a couple of CBs in the last class is a stunning failure by the program in light of this information.
Actually, we were going after one CB, Patrick Surtain who was also the number one rated CB in the country and who had promised for two solid years that he was all LSU.
It may be a failure that we didn't get a CB, but at the same time, it isn't O's fault that it happened because like a lowlife scumbag Surtain didn't tell O and Raymond that he wasn't coming until 11 PM the night before signing day. Had Surtain not been a lowlife scumbag and informed them ahead of time after promising he was all LSU for two solid years, Goodrich, the other CB, would be at LSU today.
That's not O's fault. That's Surtain's fault for deliberately waiting until the very last moment to inform O after promising for two solid years that he was all LSU. He could have easily informed them ahead of time after he changed his mind, but he didn't to score browny points with his new head coach or because he is a retard.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 1:37 am to KennesawTiger
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How old are you? Can't be older than 20. If so, yikes! Your naivete is...impressive.
Okay Einstein, given the same exact set of circumstances, explain exactly what you would have done differently, as opposed to what coach O did. In other words, put your dumb money exactly where your stupid mouth is. Go ahead.
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