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re: "Game Managers" Do Not Win Championships
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:19 pm to mikedatyger
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:19 pm to mikedatyger
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YES / T Martin he had Jammal Lewis, Travis Henry and Peerless Price
show me a team that won a title without top notch talent around him
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YES / Weinke Minor, Kendra, Warrick, Dugans
weinke won the f'in heisman that year
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YES / Dorsey Portis, Shockey, Andre Johnson
dorsey was a heisman finalist i believe
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A QB manages the game.
all QBs manage the game. this definition in NO WAY defines a "game manager"
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Dorsey a Playmaker? Really?
he had a noodle arm, but so did jason white
if you're in the discussion for the heisman, you're not a game manager
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Weinke? Yes, they make plays, there job was to get the ball to the playmakers.
i'm pretty sure he WON the heisman that year
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Look at the PLAY MAKERS these QBs had around them.
show me a team that won a national title without PLAYMAKERS on offense
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Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:21 pm to Chicken
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Mauck
Twenty-eight touchdown passes is pretty damn good. I'd call that someone capable of making plays.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but what's funny is they think they're complimenting them by calling them game managers
and they think I'm insulting them by saying they weren't
This thread might be filled with more stupid than the Hester > McFadden one
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:42 pm to Hot Carl
don't you dare
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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people in this thread can try to change the connotation of "Game manager" all they want, but when people say, "game manager," it is not just a QB who has the ability to manage the games. it's a QB who ONLY has the ability to manage games
exactly. I was going by the "game manager" definition that seemed to already be the consensus. I was not creating my own definition. People can come on here and cry and get mad at me thinking I'm insulting their boys Flynn and Mauck(too stupid to realize that I'm actually being MUCH more complimentary to them that they are), but really they are completely changing the connotation of how the term "game manager" has been consistently used. And that connotation has been that "game managers" are referred to as such when they are ONLY that and no more. It has an inherently negative connotation.
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carl is 100% correct
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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don't you dare
btw, I'm not even sure Heupel would qualify as a "game manager" in '00. I think he was a Heisman finalist and put up a good bit of yards and tds.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:49 pm to Hot Carl
Is being a Heisman finalist the new gold standard for play making quarterbacks.
IF it is, does it by rule have to exclude those that were not Heisman finalists?
IF it is, does it by rule have to exclude those that were not Heisman finalists?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:49 pm to Hot Carl
he may have i don't remember
i just remember he was a spread QB who didn't put up great #s and their D was their backbone
however, if you're a heisman finalist, you are not a game manager
i just remember he was a spread QB who didn't put up great #s and their D was their backbone
however, if you're a heisman finalist, you are not a game manager
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:50 pm to tigerfoot
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Is being a Heisman finalist the new gold standard for play making quarterbacks.
IF it is, does it by rule have to exclude those that were not Heisman finalists?
hell no. JR wasn't even a heisman finalist when he was the best QB in CFB
it's just one of those things that automatically lump you into a category
Posted on 9/23/09 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if you're a heisman finalist, you are not a game manager
Eric Crouch...
Hell Todd Boeckman had similar stats to Troy Smith....maybe he is a playmaker as well.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:04 pm to tigerfoot
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Is being a Heisman finalist the new gold standard for play making quarterbacks.
IF it is, does it by rule have to exclude those that were not Heisman finalists?
only if you're terrible at logic
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:05 pm to tigerfoot
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Eric Crouch...
You think Eric Crouch was a game manager?
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:14 pm to Hot Carl
crouch was no game manager, but being a heisman candidate does not make you an awesome player ANYMORE. That award has long lost its validity.
Bottom line "game managers" are not asked to win every game, but rather not to lose every game. If the rest of your team is good enough, you don't need to have a qb who goes out and makes every play.
Bottom line "game managers" are not asked to win every game, but rather not to lose every game. If the rest of your team is good enough, you don't need to have a qb who goes out and makes every play.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:24 pm to Hot Carl
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You think Eric Crouch was a game manager?
Compare Crouch and his Heisman year
to Tebow and his last TWO years....then you will see playmaker versus manager. Then
all you want at your silly lil thread. You have just about defined every QB in history as a play maker.
And BTW, there is not an inherently good or bad meaning of either.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:32 pm to tigerfoot
Crouch ran the fricking option at Nebraska. He was THE most important playmaker on that team.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:35 pm to BayouBengals03
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He was THE most important playmaker on that team.
So now the most vital player on the team is the playmaker....well shite, could someone decide on the PLAYMAKER RULES.
Earlier you had to be a gunslinger with lots of yards and picks, later you had to throw for tons of TDS, then you just had to have the potential to throw for TDs, then you had to be a Heisman contender or winner.
Now all you got to do is run the option.
We have now successfully built an argument for playmaker status for EVERY QB in America. Well done.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:37 pm to tigerfoot
No, not for everyone. But Crouch was a playmaker in that offense. He definitely didn't just manage the game.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 1:44 pm to BayouBengals03
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But Crouch was a playmaker in that offense. He definitely didn't just manage the game.
Sure he did, managed down and distance. Made good decisions with the ball, made all his reads. That is basically what all GOOD option QBs do. Add that with some good downfield blocking and a great D, and some God given speed. And you have a great option QB. Ask yourself this, would this PLAYMAKER been awarded the Heisman if he was the best player at say.....Baylor that same year. Nope. Would anyone still know his name if he was not the product of a system. Nope.
IF a program makes you who you are, ALA Turner Gill, Tommy Frazier, Eric Crouch, hell throw Scott Frost in there..he was the candidate for some end of season awards.......how in the hell can you be considered a PLAYMAKER....you are a good system QB, nothing more. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:04 pm to tigerfoot
Good fricking god! A "game manager" is a quarterback who, lacking the ability of either a good arm or fast-moving legs, is asked by the coaches to go into the game and to avoid fricking everything up. Two quarterbacks from last year come to mind: John Parker Wilson and Andrew Hatch. Yes, quarterbacks such as Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Drew Brees do a great job at managing the game. These quarterbacks are also the focus of their respective offenses and are asked to do much more than John Parker Wilson and Andrew Hatch would be asked to do.
Posted on 9/23/09 at 2:28 pm to OFWHAP
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Good fricking god! A "game manager" is a quarterback who, lacking the ability of either a good arm or fast-moving legs, is asked by the coaches to go into the game and to avoid fricking everything up. Two quarterbacks from last year come to mind: John Parker Wilson and Andrew Hatch.
Problem. Your post belongs in the thread called "Bad Quarterbacks" Do Not Win Championships
This thread is, "Game Managers" Do Not Win Championships
Very different concept. It's ok though-even the thread starter doesn't get it.
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