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re: Garrett Temple
Posted on 1/17/09 at 10:11 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/17/09 at 10:11 pm to Lester Earl
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on 50% shooting with only 1 turnover?
thats not shutting anyone down
just saying
Holding a dude who likes to shoot 20 plus shots a game to 12 and goes one scoring binges all the time cause he gets so many shots off, to a bucket every 6.5 minutes...to me that is.
But you can reasonably argue my "shut him down point". It's semantics.
But when you say he's an SEC player 50% of the time, to me that's a double standard.
Will you argue that he's not one of the best defenders in the SEC? Would you argue that he's not one of the better LSU defenders of all time? If you did I think you'd have very few knowleageable basketball folks who agreed.
I note many hear say Pistol Pete was the greatest player in college history. Would you say he was an All-American player 50% of the time? Because he surely was a below average defender, and that's being kind.
just sayin.
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Posted on 1/17/09 at 10:14 pm to Tiger Ugly
he doesnt always lock down people
it comes in spurts
when i say 50%, its offensively and defensively.
he's having a good year this year. Lets just leave it at that. In the past, the best thing he was known for was locking JJ Redick down for ONE GAME.
it comes in spurts
when i say 50%, its offensively and defensively.
he's having a good year this year. Lets just leave it at that. In the past, the best thing he was known for was locking JJ Redick down for ONE GAME.
Posted on 1/17/09 at 10:24 pm to Lester Earl
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he doesnt always lock down people
it comes in spurts
when i say 50%, its offensively and defensively.
he's having a good year this year. Lets just leave it at that. In the past, the best thing he was known for was locking JJ Redick down for ONE GAME.
Can't say I agree with that at all in total and most of those points specifically.
I think his defense is very consistent and consistently strong, unless he's guarding diminuitive point guards who are cat quick because he's playing out of position guarding a point. He almost always holds the guys he's guarding under their standard otherwise.
But you're right Lester, we're pretty far apart on this one and we ain't working it out so for that sake I'll agree he's having on the point he's having a good year and give the floor to you on this one.
Posted on 1/17/09 at 10:33 pm to Tiger Ugly
ummm... Temple 90% of the time is terrible on offense... tonight was part of that 10% of the time he is not... lets not argue this, because I will then have to bring out statistics, and its pretty ugly
however, he is a defensive all-american
however, he is a defensive all-american
This post was edited on 1/17/09 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 1/17/09 at 11:43 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
don not a big baskeball fan this year are you? he has played great on both ends about 75% of the time
Posted on 1/17/09 at 11:47 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
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however, he is a defensive all-american
He'll never be a great offensive player, but he's a legit SEC player and has more than earned his keep IMHO. That's all I'm trying to say.
Among the league leaders in assists at the 3 as well.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:02 am to Tiger Ugly
Garrett is now hitting shots that he would previously brick. The new offensive scheme is putting him in good position to make assists. He isn't any more athletic or talented than he previously was.
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Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:21 am to TigerRagAndrew
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Garrett is now hitting shots that he would previously brick. The new offensive scheme is putting him in good position to make assists. He isn't any more athletic or talented than he previously was.
I agree, and think he's always been a solid contributor to LSU basketball.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:23 am to Tiger Ugly
Not as a primary ballhandler. I like his effort and defensive ability, and him draining his 3's recently is just icing on the cake.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:25 am to TigerRagAndrew
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Not as a primary ballhandler. I like his effort and defensive ability, and him draining his 3's recently is just icing on the cake.
Again I agree, but as I've said earlier half the game is played on the defensive end. He's won games for LSU there each year.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 9:39 am to Tiger Ugly
actually i am a big fan of basketball. always have been since I went to LSU. However I am sort of tired of hearing that CT was the first A-A basketball player at LSU, who played for Dale Brown.
Now that CT3 is a commentator, it makes it all the worse.
GT is a fantastic Defensive player. However his offensive skills are terrible. His numbers this year are pretty normal compared to years past.
14 TEMPLE, Garrett....
FGs 39-98 .398 - Least shots taken on starting 5, but worst percentage
3 Pt 15-42 .357 - 4th worst 3pt percentage on starting 5. however the worst is CJ, but he has only taken four 3s.
free throw 34-41 .829 - he is a good free throw shooter, but has attempted the least of the starters
rebounding - is suspect, i see him get in there, but not an overwhelming amount.
fouls 41 - tied for most, which is understandable considering he has to defend the best guy on the floor and he can be scrappy at defense.
assists 69 - he does have more assisting this year. i am happy with this, rather the assists than him shooting the ball.
turnovers 33 - most turnovers on the team
blocks 12 - you would think he would have more blocks than this. its sort of a deceiving number.
36 steals - most on the team
so in short. He is an outstanding defensive player, but still not a good offensive player.
His sophomore year OFFENSIVELY was an abomination. However his defense was stout.
Junior year his offense was again porous, but at least not an abomination.
His Senior year is shaping up to be similar to last year.
Thanks. I like Trent Johnson,
Now that CT3 is a commentator, it makes it all the worse.
GT is a fantastic Defensive player. However his offensive skills are terrible. His numbers this year are pretty normal compared to years past.
14 TEMPLE, Garrett....
FGs 39-98 .398 - Least shots taken on starting 5, but worst percentage
3 Pt 15-42 .357 - 4th worst 3pt percentage on starting 5. however the worst is CJ, but he has only taken four 3s.
free throw 34-41 .829 - he is a good free throw shooter, but has attempted the least of the starters
rebounding - is suspect, i see him get in there, but not an overwhelming amount.
fouls 41 - tied for most, which is understandable considering he has to defend the best guy on the floor and he can be scrappy at defense.
assists 69 - he does have more assisting this year. i am happy with this, rather the assists than him shooting the ball.
turnovers 33 - most turnovers on the team
blocks 12 - you would think he would have more blocks than this. its sort of a deceiving number.
36 steals - most on the team
so in short. He is an outstanding defensive player, but still not a good offensive player.
His sophomore year OFFENSIVELY was an abomination. However his defense was stout.
Junior year his offense was again porous, but at least not an abomination.
His Senior year is shaping up to be similar to last year.
Thanks. I like Trent Johnson,
Posted on 1/18/09 at 9:51 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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However I am sort of tired of hearing that CT was the first A-A basketball player at LSU, who played for Dale Brown.
Now that CT3 is a commentator, it makes it all the worse.
All I ever wanted to contribute to this was that Garret Temple was a legit SEC player and that I couldn't believe that there were still folks out there that contend that he is not. And apparently there still are. Oh well.
As for his Daddy, I can't say I cared at all for his grandstanding in the coaching search. I guess no one else would talk to the Advocate so they went to Collis for quotes as if he were a spokesman for the University.
At one point he was quoted "LSU needs to hire either Johnny Jones or Butch Pierre. If they do we'll be O.K. Anyone else and it will take years to recover." Huh?
Then he's peacocking around when Trent was hired like he made the decision. Didn't sit well with me.
But despite that I'll take Garret on my team any time.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 9:54 am to Tiger Ugly
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But despite that I'll take Garret on my team any time.
I will give in and agree. BUT!, only based on whether he continues to shut the best player on their team down offensively.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 9:55 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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However his offensive skills are terrible.
If you assume shooting is the only offensive skill required, then you would be correct. But there is so much more to offense than just shooting.
Temple has a very high basketball IQ. He handles the ball well. He leads the team in assists. He takes the pressure off Spencer breaking the press. He grabs a few offensive boards. He does all the little things well and makes smart decisions most of the time. He is not, nor ever will be, a pure shooter. But that alone does not make him a terrible offensive player.
He's not great on offense, but far from terrible. His defense more than makes up for any shortcomings on offense.
This post was edited on 1/18/09 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/18/09 at 9:58 am to donRANDOMnumbers
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BUT!, only based on whether he continues to shut the best player on their team down offensively.
Despite Lester's contention, he has pretty much always held the teams ace below standard, at least if the teams ace is a 2 or 3.
Also in the Top 5 in the SEC in assists and No. 2 in assist to turnover ratio.
I think you indicated that it was Trents offensive system, but Trent's system affords every player the opportunity for assists. Garret still has more than all others.
It will be interesting to see how he does against Meeks for Kentucky as I can't imagine he won't be matched against him. Holding him to 20 would be likely be a very good effort.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 10:39 am to Tiger Ugly
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And there are still folks that will tell you he's not an SEC player.
Maroons!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:29 pm to Tiger Ugly
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he has pretty much always held the teams ace below standard
no, he hasnt. If this was the case, we would have won a lot more games the last few years.
he's had a few standout games, but its hard to consistently shut down the opponents best player every game. thats just the way it is.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 12:34 pm to donRANDOMnumbers
All I want is for him to stop shooting 3's. He likes to think he is Glen Rice way too often. It was an anomaly yesterday that he shot that well from downtown. It all started in that Final 4 run and it hasn't stopped since.
Posted on 1/18/09 at 1:04 pm to Lester Earl
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no, he hasnt. If this was the case, we would have won a lot more games the last few years.
I know I said I was done, but one more retort, I respectfully but strongly disagree with you Lester.
I said he almost always held the teams ace below standard when he was guarding the team's ace 2 or 3 or big point and I stand by that.
Throw Acie Law in that mix by the way.
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