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re: Gibbs or J.T. Wise?
Posted on 4/17/09 at 5:31 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/17/09 at 5:31 pm to Lester Earl
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because as noted in this thread, cut ties one way or another with some very talented players.
Not many coaches would have been able to keep as many drafted players on campus as Mainieri just did...
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Posted on 4/17/09 at 6:14 pm to HoustonTiger4
It looks like J.T. Wise is having a very good season.
However, to be fair, he was coming off a bad season with LSU in which he didn't hit for the average or power that he did his freshman year. And, he also struck out a ton.
In addition, last year at Oklahoma (as a junior), he only hit .278 with 7 HRs and struck out at a 1 in 4 clip (extremely high).
I don't know if you can call it a bad move when it took this kid up until his senior year to start producing.
Don't get me wrong, we could use him this year at the plate, but let's not pretend that he walked out of LSU and hit the ground producing. That didn't happen.
However, to be fair, he was coming off a bad season with LSU in which he didn't hit for the average or power that he did his freshman year. And, he also struck out a ton.
In addition, last year at Oklahoma (as a junior), he only hit .278 with 7 HRs and struck out at a 1 in 4 clip (extremely high).
I don't know if you can call it a bad move when it took this kid up until his senior year to start producing.
Don't get me wrong, we could use him this year at the plate, but let's not pretend that he walked out of LSU and hit the ground producing. That didn't happen.
Posted on 4/17/09 at 6:47 pm to moneyg
he was no worse than Ochinko at that point
Posted on 4/17/09 at 9:37 pm to Lester Earl
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he was no worse than Ochinko at that point
Actually, he was.
Ochinko hit .277 as compared to Wise's .234
, 32 RBI to Wise's 19, had an on base percentage of .371 to Wise's .291 , had 7 HRs to Wise's 2, had a higher slugging percentage, walked twice as much, etc. Also, Ochinko was a freshman as opposed to a sophmore and played a position that was a need at the time with Lara being let go. And, when you add Wise's bad attitude, it's pretty easy to see that this isn't much of a comparison.
But, even if you ignore all of that, you'd have a hard time making an argument that Wise is being significantly more productive at this point than Ochinko. Ochinko is having a great year as well.
This post was edited on 4/17/09 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 4/17/09 at 9:51 pm to moneyg
my point is, both had very good FR seasons, both pretty much lost their full time starting jobs their SOPH years. Neither showed much promise at that point. For some reason i thought they were in the same class.
only thing that kept Ochinko on the team is that he was A)younger and B) a better catcher is my guess.
JT Wise having a good season isnt really surprising to me, because he was always talented.
only thing that kept Ochinko on the team is that he was A)younger and B) a better catcher is my guess.
JT Wise having a good season isnt really surprising to me, because he was always talented.
Posted on 4/17/09 at 10:05 pm to Lester Earl
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my point is, both had very good FR seasons, both pretty much lost their full time starting jobs their SOPH years. Neither showed much promise at that point. For some reason i thought they were in the same class.
Well, I don't think that's really a fair comparison given Gibbs' emergence, and Matt Clark's production. Ochinko wasn't terrible last year...he just didn't get much opportunity as a non-catcher. That didn't happen to Wise. The team absolutely needed him to produce and he failed. His numbers were waaaay below acceptable. They were flat out terrible.
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only thing that kept Ochinko on the team is that he was A)younger and B) a better catcher is my guess.
IMO, you are missing the biggest factor of all.
But, I'm glad he's turned it around. And, assuming his head is on straight, I'd love to have him on this team. But, I can't criticize the decision simply because he turned it around 2 seasons after he was released.
Posted on 4/17/09 at 10:10 pm to TigerBait1127
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and would have been drafted higher if it wasn't for football
I know a Cinncinati Scout who said otherwise.........not trying to flame but he said CJ needs to focus on football.
Posted on 4/18/09 at 12:27 am to Lester Earl
Lester...Lester...Lester anyone would have lost their spot to Matt Clark last year.
Posted on 4/18/09 at 12:38 am to Adam4848
he couldnt beat a FR out at Catcher either.
and im not hating on him. Just saying he has had a similar career to Wise
and im not hating on him. Just saying he has had a similar career to Wise
This post was edited on 4/18/09 at 12:39 am
Posted on 4/18/09 at 1:06 am to Lester Earl
I agree with that point, but we all know that Wise and Ochinko are totally opposite players in the locker room. I say that based on leadership and team moral. Just because he's changed at Oklahoma doesn't explain his lack of determination his sophmore year at LSU.
Posted on 4/18/09 at 11:14 am to Lester Earl
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Just saying he has had a similar career to Wise
The only similarity is that they both lost a starting spot in their soph year. Wise lost it based on his performance. Ochinko lost it because of special players that entered the program.
Posted on 4/18/09 at 11:20 am to moneyg
wise wasnt a leader.he was self centered
Posted on 4/18/09 at 12:11 pm to lsumma09
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I still dont see why Reine got let go.
Because he is from Livingston Parish.
Posted on 4/18/09 at 12:44 pm to lsusteve1
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I know a Cinncinati Scout who said otherwise.........not trying to flame but he said CJ needs to focus on football.
ok...all the word around the draft said he would be drafted higher if teams thought they could sign him
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