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re: Gunner Kiel/Landon Collins reflects on college choices-miles related
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:06 pm to thunderbird1100
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:06 pm to thunderbird1100
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There is a huge difference in a SPURT of dropped passes and it being a problem over an ENTIRE career. I dont see how you think these are similar. Shepard has ALWAYS dropped passes, regularly. It's been a constant issue. On top of that, for a guy who is so fast, he rarely gets separation, which is a big part about being a WR.
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A spurt, not a 3 year span.
As I've already mentioned and you conveniently ignored, Dwayne Bowe had made a career of dropping passes until his senior year. According to you, Bowe should not have been given opportunities his senior year because he had proven to be unreliable catching the football consistently for years, not in a spurt.
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I was only talking him as a WR and responding to that, and I've always said in the past he should get more touches in the running game, and not be a WR at all. HE is a terrible WR, yet we kept him there for 3 years occasionally (less and less) using him as a RB where he was tenfold more effective.
This still doesn't explain why your only response to Shepard going from 65 touches in 1 year to 45 touches combined the next 2 years is because he dropped passes.
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:10 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Your argument is that Shepards touches were reduced to give more to hill. Ridley carried the ball 107 times more hill did this year, yet Shepard carried it 12 more times that year than this year. Based on those facts, explain how you think your argument is valid
You wanted to know why Shep didn't touch the ball in relation to other backs, and your numbers verify that he touched it the same percentage as previous years. You have no point.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:11 pm to thunderbird1100
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Kiel was a very late addition, and the only way he was coming was as an E.E. You take him if he wants to come, especially considering what we have at QB and seemingly can never find good ones. Situations happen you cant foresee. What you say to a recruit in September can change by December, January, February because things happen.
All of which is completely irrelevant to the fact that miller was misled. He committed with the understanding that he was going to be enroll king early. Then right before he was about to enroll, he was told he couldn't anymore, and it wasn't because of anything he did.
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I wouldn't. It sucks but that's recruiting in the SEC especially. Kids get dumped, we still would honor his commitment he would just have to enroll in the spring instead, he wanted to be somewhere as an E.E. so he moved on.
Yes it is recruiting in the SEC, and it works both ways. So why is it ok for coaches to do it to kids but not for kids to do it to coaches?
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:12 pm to LNCHBOX
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You wanted to know why Shep didn't touch the ball in relation to other backs, and your numbers verify that he touched it the same percentage as previous years. You have no point.
Sheps carries dropped substantially. By year, 45, 32, 7 and 20.
The most mystifying would be 2011.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:13 pm to Open Your Eyes
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As I've already mentioned and you conveniently ignored, Dwayne Bowe had made a career of dropping passes until his senior year. According to you, Bowe should not have been given opportunities his senior year because he had proven to be unreliable catching the football consistently for years, not in a spurt.
Dwayne Bowe needed corrective eye surgery, did you forget abut that? How is this similar at all? Plus, Dwayne Bowe as a WR had a MUCH better skillset than Shepard. That is unquestionable. TERRIBLE comparison.
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This still doesn't explain why your only response to Shepard going from 65 touches in 1 year to 45 touches combined the next 2 years is because he dropped passes.
I just said the coaches misused him, but he didn't earn more touches in the passing game which is easily why passes thrown his way went way down. His rushing touches as a RB dropped for no apparent reason. He was productive there and an asset.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:16 pm to ipodking
quote:Free visits to other schools, having grown men sing your praises, if you were a recruit you would take every opportunity available as well. Just as kids who have committed to LSU still go on recruiting trips and those who have committed elsewhere still visit LSU. What is sad is grown adults getting mad over shite they themselves would have done given the chance.
Stop being a jackass. Collins said he knew he wanted to go to Bama the summer before his senior year but wanted to keep it on the down low. He never intended on going to LSU but kept telling the staff he was interested in LSU
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:19 pm to Open Your Eyes
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All of which is completely irrelevant to the fact that miller was misled. He committed with the understanding that he was going to be enroll king early. Then right before he was about to enroll, he was told he couldn't anymore, and it wasn't because of anything he did.
No, actually Kiel coming on board was completely relevant to us having to tell another E.E. we would have to take them in the summer instead. This is my point. If you disagree that we should have kept Miller and run off Kiel instead, without knowing what would happen after, you would have made a big mistake considering needs. Once again, things happen in recruiting you cant foresee, when we told Miller he could E.E. WAY BACK, that doesn't mean things can change later on. This is SEC recruiting, apparently you dont follow it. It's a cutthroat thing.
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Yes it is recruiting in the SEC, and it works both ways. So why is it ok for coaches to do it to kids but not for kids to do it to coaches?
Where did I say one way or the other? I just said if Miller said bad things about us it was warranted, like Miles took a jab at Kiel at an LSU function, which even Kiel said he understood. It's not like he told Kiel himself he was a terrible person.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:20 pm to thunderbird1100
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I wouldn't. It sucks but that's recruiting in the SEC especially. Kids get dumped, we still would honor his commitment he would just have to enroll in the spring instead, he wanted to be somewhere as an E.E. so he moved on.
This. They didn't mislead Miller. His slot was still there in the Spring. You seem to have a personal vendetta against Miles so I don't feel any argument Thunderbird or myself make will sway you.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Sheps carries dropped substantially
Well the two years he chose to compare had the same percentage compared to the backs he compared, so that's besides the point. This guy is failing at making any point.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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You wanted to know why Shep didn't touch the ball in relation to other backs
No I didn't. I wanted to know why he didn't touch the ball himself more. You were the one that brought mother back into the conversation.
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and your numbers verify that he touched it the same percentage as previous years.
1. Why are you talking about percentages when everyone else is talking about total numbers?
2. Shepard got 2.41% of the carries the last 2 seasons and 5.94% in 2010. Either you don't know how to calculate percentages or you don't know what the word same means, but you should probably leave the difficult math stuff to the people that finished 3rd grade from now on.
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You have no point.
I do have a point, you just don't like it.
You can't perform basic math functions. You also haven't explained how the Clemson game it's in with you Jeremy hill emergence theory.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:27 pm to Open Your Eyes
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both while recruiting them and while on the team( ie, Russell Shepard)
Lol... until coaches and players both stop the lies and playing the game, it will continue.
Shep wasn't lied to. Plenty of players at every program don't receive as much playing time as they thought they would. If he was or best option at qb, rb or wr. He wwould have played.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:29 pm to Open Your Eyes
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You think it's a net positive for LSU that an 18 year old kid not a year removed from high school is more professional and mature about this situation than the head coach of the football team was?
I think you don't understand how booster and recruiting functions work.
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And what about the players that don't speak we'll of miles? Reuben randle, Brandon Lafell, Terrance Toliver, etc are constantly bashed on here for their comments towards miles since leaving.
What about them?
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What about the opposing coaching staff's comments towards miles?
Like who? I've never heard opposing coaches say anything negative about Miles.
It's amazing the lengths some of you will go in an attempt to discredit the winningest coach in LSU history
This post was edited on 1/6/13 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:34 pm to Choctaw
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It's amazing the lengths some of you will go in an attempt to discredit the winningest coach in LSU history
I agree man its pretty sad. It's called confirmation bias. No matter what you throw at them they will find evidence to support the contrary.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:35 pm to Big EZ Tiger
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Look, Shep had his issues too, but as a ball carrier he at least deserved a few more touches each game with the results he had when he did carry it.
Shep's successful runs were called by coaches wh saw things the D was doing and took advantage. For example, against Towson, maybe they saw something in Towson's DE or LB's lineup or initial move that led them to believe the jet sweep would work. They ran it, and it went all the way. Great! Maybe after that, Towson eliminated that weakness. I don't know because I'm not a coach with their resources and experience. Also, Shep didn't show much on that play besides nice speed. We could have handed the ball to any number of guys and gotten the same TD.
Maybe they knew they could beat Towson a lot worse by running two dozen jet sweeps but figured they needed practice on other things so they could beat South Carolina. Again, I don't know.
What I do know from watching Shep play is that he wasn't in the top four or five at any position. If it wasn't for a Rivals ranking we would think of Shep the same way we think of Rocky Duplessis.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:38 pm to Penrod
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What I do know from watching Shep play is that he wasn't in the top four or five at any position. If it wasn't for a Rivals ranking we would think of Shep the same way we think of Rocky Duplessis.
Agreed. I don't think people realize you can't run 30 jet sweeps a game.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:41 pm to ipodking
Screw both of those sorry arse kids.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:44 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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No one held a gun to LSU's head and forced us to spend time/money on these guys.
This is true, but I can see where sometimes a player is really torn between 2 teams. The problem is when someone knows exactly where they are going, and just play up the other team or teams, which is what I think Collins did. Screw Collins, hope he has a shitty career...
Now time to move on, let's be concerned about this year & beyond.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:53 pm to thunderbird1100
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Dwayne Bowe needed corrective eye surgery, did you forget abut that?
No, I remember eye surgery very vividly. I also know there was no guarantee that eye surgery would fix bowe's drop problem.
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Plus, Dwayne Bowe as a WR had a MUCH better skillset than Shepard. That is unquestionable. TERRIBLE comparison.
Drops are drops no matter how good the wr is.
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I just said the coaches misused him, but he didn't earn more touches in the passing game which is easily why passes thrown his way went way down. His rushing touches as a RB dropped for no apparent reason. He was productive there and an asset.
If he didn't earn more touches in the passing game, he would've had 33 or so receptions each of the last 2 seasons, as that's what he had in 2010, but not any more than that. In fact, he had 14 and 6 catches the last 2 seasons. And it certainly wasn't because the wrs were better the last 2 years, or the QB play was worse.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:55 pm to itig19
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Agreed. I don't think people realize you can't run 30 jet sweeps a game.
Not where some of his big runs came from.
Posted on 1/6/13 at 2:56 pm to Penrod
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Also, Shep didn't show much on that play besides nice speed. We could have handed the ball to any number of guys and gotten the same TD.
PLEASE...
You know, great speed is valuable. Again, he was our leading rusher with ONE carry. None of the other guys matched his total with many more carries.
When someone gets a 78-yard TD on their first carry, you tend to give the ball again just for the hell of it to see if there is something going on there... Nope. I'll give you this much though - you are the first person that has even tried to explain or defend that move when I have mentioned it.
I don't know exactly how Shep stacked up against other LSU players, I just thought he brought a little something different to the table at times. I do know that he had very big plays in both of our Ws the last two times we beat Bama though.
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