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re: Has/Does JJ ever take personal responsibility for his play?
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:40 am to BT
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:40 am to BT
quote:
is this bashing or the truth?
some of you need to learn the differnce between the two.
Maybe bashing was the wrong word.....how 'bout "we don't need 300 fricking threads stating how much JJ sucks over and over."
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Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:40 am to BT
quote:
is this bashing or the truth?
Just because it's bashing doesn't make it untrue.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:43 am to Choctaw
Choc, we generally fall on the same side of things. But IMO JJ has really not even attempted to support this team. He'll, when we are on D, JL is cheering for a stop. JJ is on the bench, pouting.
He is old enough to be more mature, in his play, and his actions. There is no energy from the players when JJ is on the field. He shows no investment, or ability to motivate. Couple these things withnatrocious productivity.....and he has lost all support, including mine. Miles is also losing my faith by playing him.
I hate analogies, but JJ IS Aaron Brooks, without the ability.
He is old enough to be more mature, in his play, and his actions. There is no energy from the players when JJ is on the field. He shows no investment, or ability to motivate. Couple these things withnatrocious productivity.....and he has lost all support, including mine. Miles is also losing my faith by playing him.
I hate analogies, but JJ IS Aaron Brooks, without the ability.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:43 am to Choctaw
quote:
how 'bout "we don't need 300 fricking threads stating how much JJ sucks over and over."
you're right... we should just turn our head and go listen to some beach boy tunes.
NOthing to see here, nothing to discuss.
GTFO.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 8:44 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:46 am to eelsuee
quote:
Ooooh... swing and a miss
it is the 20 isnt it?
my bad.
on the bright side you are the only one that caught it.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:48 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Choc, we generally fall on the same side of things. But IMO JJ has really not even attempted to support this team. He'll, when we are on D, JL is cheering for a stop. JJ is on the bench, pouting.
He is old enough to be more mature, in his play, and his actions. There is no energy from the players when JJ is on the field. He shows no investment, or ability to motivate. Couple these things withnatrocious productivity.....and he has lost all support, including mine.
I agree with all of this.....im just tired of the same ole threads stating the same shite over and over. We get it...he's not playing well at all and his attitude sucks. With all the positives surrounding this team right now....some people still can't help but focus on the negatives.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:48 am to BT
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22 yrd td run by ridley
29 yrd td pass from JL to TT
35 yrd fg from Jasper
74 yrd td pr from PP
well you got 1 out of the 4 right
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:50 am to josh336
I botched it.
It's a muff.
you get the point though.
It's a muff.
you get the point though.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:50 am to BT
Yes, I got what you were trying to say
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:51 am to Choctaw
quote:
With all the positives surrounding this team right now....some people still can't help but focus on the negatives.
most prob b/c qb happens to be the most important position on the team.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:52 am to BT
quote:
is this bashing or the truth?
some of you need to learn the differnce between the two.
I am not bashing. I think JJ has come across as a little baby, and JL has been the bigger man accepting his faults and handling it the way its suppose to be handled.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:53 am to Choctaw
quote:
I agree with all of this.....im just tired of the same ole threads stating the same shite over and over. We get it...he's not playing well at all and his attitude sucks. With all the positives surrounding this team right now....some people still can't help but focus on the negatives.
If you don't like it, ignore it.
Besides, if JJ would just shut his leaderless mouth up, then the "same ole threads" wouldn't be popping up.
It is his own fault he is becoming one of the least respected Tigers ever...his fault.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:53 am to Kracka
I know you weren't.
I agree with your first post 100%.
I agree with your first post 100%.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 8:55 am to DP40
quote:
If you don't like it, ignore it.
Besides, if JJ would just shut his leaderless mouth up, then the "same ole threads" wouldn't be popping up.
It is his own fault he is becoming one of the least respected Tigers ever...his fault.
once again.... the above post may come across to some as "bashing" but in all reality it's the absolute fricking truth.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:00 am to Choctaw
quote:
some people still can't help but focus on the negatives
Because we all heve a very reasonable fear that that one negative will keep us from winning the SEC West and perhaps even more.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:20 am to memphis tiger
Posted before but...
So I decided to look at the last 3 games to see how the two QBs did drive by drive. The following are interesting stats I found:
Total Drives commanded:
JJ = 17
Lee = 16
Drives ending in Punts or Turnovers (Punts, 3 and outs):
JJ = 12 (8,3)
Lee = 5 (4,2)
Turnovers leading basically to opponent TDs:
JJ = 2 (-14 points)
Lee = 0
TD Drives:
JJ = 1 (83 yard run against UT)
Lee = 9
FG Drives:
JJ = 3
Lee = 0 (2 Jasper misses here)
Scoring Drives:
JJ = 4
Lee = 9
Points off drives:
JJ = 16
Lee = 62 (despite 2 missed FGs and missed XP)
Net Points from drives (accounting for opp. pts direclty off Turnovers):
JJ = +2
Lee = +62
Pretty damn ridiculous once you look at it. Also, while it should be noted that JJ got 2 rushing TDs on Lee's drives inside the 10 against UF, so he is definitely misleanding.
In the end, the numbers are pretty straight forward.
So I decided to look at the last 3 games to see how the two QBs did drive by drive. The following are interesting stats I found:
Total Drives commanded:
JJ = 17
Lee = 16
Drives ending in Punts or Turnovers (Punts, 3 and outs):
JJ = 12 (8,3)
Lee = 5 (4,2)
Turnovers leading basically to opponent TDs:
JJ = 2 (-14 points)
Lee = 0
TD Drives:
JJ = 1 (83 yard run against UT)
Lee = 9
FG Drives:
JJ = 3
Lee = 0 (2 Jasper misses here)
Scoring Drives:
JJ = 4
Lee = 9
Points off drives:
JJ = 16
Lee = 62 (despite 2 missed FGs and missed XP)
Net Points from drives (accounting for opp. pts direclty off Turnovers):
JJ = +2
Lee = +62
Pretty damn ridiculous once you look at it. Also, while it should be noted that JJ got 2 rushing TDs on Lee's drives inside the 10 against UF, so he is definitely misleanding.
In the end, the numbers are pretty straight forward.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 9:42 am to ztraveler
quote:
Also, while it should be noted that JJ got 2 rushing TDs on Lee's drives inside the 10 against UF, so he is definitely misleanding.
Should add an * next to his numbers for this and show them without these.
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:11 am to clamdip
quote:
22 yrd td run by ridley
29 yrd td pass from JL to TT
35 yrd fg from Jasper
74 yrd td pr from PP
Yes, the redzone is 20 yard line to endzone. Technically, you made no mistake. All of those would be outside of the redzone.
Ah, you must have edited the post lol.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:34 am to Hulkklogan
35 yard field goal is still in the redzone
Posted on 10/19/10 at 10:54 am to Kracka
quote:
I think one of the main reasons nobody threw the towel in on Jarrett Lee was because he accepted that he made terrible mistakes, and threw int's and took ownership of it instead of acting like a baby about it. There's redemption in that, and that is why people are OK with JL playing. JJ has been IMO the complete opposite.
We are all to blame. Maybe this is what he needs to do to keep his confidence up. I saw him criticize himself coming off the field on multiple occasions. It's definitely a battle going on mentally with him. One in particular was when he said to himself coming off the field on a failed 3rd down conversion, "He was wide open", when he overthrew a receiver this year. The guy does a pretty good job of kicking himself. You just want to see him do it in front of the media so you can have even more to bash him, uh I mean assert facts about him and just because you say it's not bashing.
It's already been proven he certainly can't rely on tiger fans for support. And JLee couldn't either until the fans quickly got impatient with the younger player. He's been going through it since the last 3 games of 2008. His red-shirt season was burned and he's never had adequate time to just sit back and learn this system at all. Once his red-shirt was burned, he was put on track to graduate the same year as Lee instead of a year after. JLee would have been the full-fledged starter and JJ was not likley going to play significant minutes until his Senior year. That would have given him plenty of time to take in the offense at his own pace and learn the nuances.
I've heard people on this board say Lee was thrown into the fire and he was a 2nd year player when he played and he shared time with Hatcher then. By late 2008 as a true freshman with no Spring practices, it was all on him since then with no shared duties and all the pressure in the Tiger world. Les Miles stated he wasn't ready and JJ himself said he wasn't ready. The fans didn't care because Lee was turning the ball over and they wanted a change (granted JJ started due to a non-season ending injury to Lee). Lee was available for the final two games of the season.
See as fans we're partly responsible for him now and for Lee then because of the way they have been treated when things were not going the way WE think they should. He is still a Tiger and you guys need to grow up and support the team. Criticize the coach, but back off the players. The lesson should have been learned with Lee. The coaches are trying to correct it, but the fans still don't have a clue as to the real cause, our own impatient selves with unrealistic expectations in 2008 with Lee and going into 2009 with JJ (me included).
In hindsight, it would have been better to finish the season 0-3 with T.C. McCartney down the stretch than to put that kind of pressure on a true freshman. It would not have fixed the situation with Lee, but he was sharing the position until Hatch got hurt, then he got hurt briefly. But impatient, booing fans opinions won out so now here we are at 7-0 and still complaining.
This post was edited on 10/19/10 at 12:18 pm
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