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re: How is O different than Miles?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:09 am to Lester Earl
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O is more progressive. He is adaptable. Miles never was
Miles was adaptable early, he just couldn't ever buy in fully (esp after 2008)
what i think you'll see with O is a constant desire to change and a lot of instability (esp since he's basically admitting he's not a good coach and is entirely dependent on his coordinators, who will naturally change relatively often)
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Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:09 am to BallChamp00
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Also enough with the relies on great coordinators.
Well when it comes to the X's and O's he will have to rely on the coordinators...Not that it's a bad thing though.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:09 am to LSUbase13
Not as stubborn 
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:10 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Did the offense not seem generally different (improved?), though?
i was happy about it until we had to get down and really scheme/coach. then it was very similar
i also completely believe O was just changing shite for his sales pitch to the fans and since he played politics and manipulated the media into making Alleva think he was a viable option, that's going to change. he has nothing left to sell. he won
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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Miles was adaptable early,
Not really significantly. There wear just times when what he was doing worked (usually because of personnel).
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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(esp since he's basically admitting he's not a good coach and is entirely dependent on his coordinators, who will naturally change relatively often)
i dont think he is admitting that. I just think he knows how he is perceived and knows what he has to do in order to get the job.
Even so, I dont see it as a bad thing. Miles has really never admitted his faults. In fact just the opposite, he kept dipping into the same failure wells.
Coach O bringing
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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i was happy about it until we had to get down and really scheme/coach. then it was very similar
Maybe, I'm just being foolishly optomistic, but I'd think that's probably where a mid-season interim type scenario will always break down.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:13 am to LSUbase13
Do you even watch LSU football? Only a half functioning retard would ask that question after physically seeing the difference this very season. Wow!
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
My point is how can anyone have an opinion on how good his offense will be when we haven't seen it yet?
He's clearly different than Miles simply by changing things up and spreading the field more. That's about all we know thus far.
He's clearly different than Miles simply by changing things up and spreading the field more. That's about all we know thus far.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:14 am to Y.A. Tittle
he hired crowton to change things up after Jimbo and we went more spread and then started building around a spread-option attack. it just didn't work. our OL was switching from man to zone and we had some talent issues. JJ wasn't really a running QB and we tried to make him into one (and he was JJ). miles could never buy in to changing his mentality
it was just a mess. then in 2011 stud had to takeover and we went super simple, got incredibly lucky to score so many points via defense/STs that Miles was just like "frick it". still though, even after that, we did have 2013 sandwiched in the middle of absolute dinosaur offenses
Les was too scared to change. i think O is going to be the opposite. he's going to change shite a ton and doesn't have the mental or coaching ability to really develop an identity. when our coordinators start to leave, it's going to be utter chaos because O isn't creating a philosophy/system to build around
it's like...yeah Les isn't going to win a title and we're losing 2-3 games because of his system, but we aren't going to go 5-7. under O we have 5-7 potential relatively easy
it was just a mess. then in 2011 stud had to takeover and we went super simple, got incredibly lucky to score so many points via defense/STs that Miles was just like "frick it". still though, even after that, we did have 2013 sandwiched in the middle of absolute dinosaur offenses
Les was too scared to change. i think O is going to be the opposite. he's going to change shite a ton and doesn't have the mental or coaching ability to really develop an identity. when our coordinators start to leave, it's going to be utter chaos because O isn't creating a philosophy/system to build around
it's like...yeah Les isn't going to win a title and we're losing 2-3 games because of his system, but we aren't going to go 5-7. under O we have 5-7 potential relatively easy
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:15 am to LSUbase13
Taller, more hair, different name
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:16 am to GCTiger11
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Coach O doesn't seem like an oblivious retard for starters
And despite having a heavy accent, he can at least speak coherently
None of this true. He looks like he has a disability, he sticks is damn tongue out when he talks, and you can't understand a fricking thing he says except, one team one heart beat. Everything else is just sound.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
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i dont think he is admitting that.
he is literally taking sub-standard pay with the selling point that we can bust the salary market for coordinators every year. that was his selling point to Alleva
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Even so, I dont see it as a bad thing. Miles has really never admitted his faults
100% correct. Les was stubborn and arrogant
O is going to be a case study on the Dunning-Kruger Effect, though. he's not smart enough to realize his faults
Les was, but he was just an arrogant dick about it
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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he hired crowton to change things up after Jimbo and we went more spread and then started building around a spread-option attack. it just didn't work. our OL was switching from man to zone and we had some talent issues. JJ wasn't really a running QB and we tried to make him into one (and he was JJ). miles could never buy in to changing his mentality
In other words, his stubbornness completely overran any attempt to "change".
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:17 am to Mickey Goldmill
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My point is how can anyone have an opinion on how good his offense will be when we haven't seen it yet?
i don't disagree
i was specifically responding to people who were offering their opinion based on the 2016 offense
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
How about you let O hire his OC and then judge his offensive production? Do you realize that Steve Ensminger was our emergency OC? I swear that anyone who is still mentioning Les Miles should be banned. I could not stomach another quarter from that overpayed, archaic SOB. I was at my wit's end after the Auburn game, I don't think I could have physically stomached another quarter of his stubborn incompetence. My favorite Miles attribute though was his ability to lie into the camera over and over again about his meddling and hiis "want" to open up the offense.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:19 am to Y.A. Tittle
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his stubbornness completely overran any attempt to "change".
i think talent and sub-standard coaching hires (Crowton, Stud) derailed it and when we didn't have initial success, Miles panicked a bit
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:20 am to LSUbase13
One will coach like his job depends on it
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
The offense was Okay over 400 total yards balanced, but they did kind crap on themselves in the redzone. Now some of it was execution on the players and some was play calling. Just a terrible loss there is no way Florida should have won that game.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 11:21 am to LSUbase13
Cheaper to shite can if he gets stubborn
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