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re: I know we want multiple WR sets and all that, but O is right. We really aren't there yet.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:21 pm to Pahnew
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:21 pm to Pahnew
One thing Burrow does not do well is throw at the blitz. That’s gotta be drilled into this kid.
They were shooting it pre snap too. He should have know that slant was there.
They were shooting it pre snap too. He should have know that slant was there.
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:30 pm to Pahnew
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Burrow doesn't read the all out blitz, he should know to throw to the route where the blitz came from
Go back to the Florida game.
They were showing the blitz all game after the opening drive. SE adjustment was to roll away from blitz and it wasn't working.
Should have had the RB continue to help block blitz, chip defender and release, JB hit him were the blitz came from...WIDE OPEN. Or have TE release and cross to area that blitz vacated. SE wanted to get away from blitz fast as possible and throw into coverage instead of attacking the blitz.
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Scared play call..Just playing for the FG just like all year.
You will usually see players mail it in if it's a bad season, but what I see is an Offense staff and head coach mailing it in on offensive play calling and strategy. They have no answer if the original game plan does not work.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:38 pm to SammyTiger
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Don’t you know ? 2 WR 2 TE 2 RB set is different than what we’ve been doing for the last decade so long as it’s a shotgun snap.
This is the same offense under Miles and what SE called in 2016, just run out of a base shotgun set. Few wrinkles here and there, but for the most part this is the same old song and dance.
That's why you aren't seeing "he set records" this year. One, he set records against 90th or worst Defenses in 2016. Bc he ran more Shotgun and it forced teams to play more honest. But was stoned against top defense,why? because they knew this was the same offense. Take this year against good defenses and you see the production.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:40 pm to bstew3006
The last few games we’ve regressed to max protection 2 WR sets.
And everything has gotten worse.
And everything has gotten worse.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:42 pm to SammyTiger
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The last few games we’ve regressed to max protection 2 WR sets.
BC LSU has an unimaginative offensive staff that has no answers
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:42 pm to GeauxTigerNation
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We can have the QB fully protected and yet, 2-7 Arkansas was in our back field all night.
Burrow has 0.5 seconds to find a Target and throw the ball.
Our rushing yards per carry was abysmal on Saturday .
We seriously cannot do anything with this offensive line. Nothing at all.
We're going to win out. But it's not going to be pretty.
We're going to tear our fricking hair out watching this crap, but it's all the offense can currently do.
Honestly, it's amazing we were able to get this far.
Geaux Tigers.
this is a horrible narrative and a dangerous mindset to have.
you think LSU's talent at OLine is worse than the bottom half of the SEC? Other teams do more on offense with considerably less talent than we have.
Its the coaches job to make it work. They haven't.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:44 pm to GeauxTigerNation
It's all about scheme
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:48 pm to mhc4tigers
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Miles left the program with 11 offensive lineman on scholarship
Do yall fact check before making stuff up?
2 Senior on this list in Les' last year. 
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:57 pm to bencoleman
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Maybe somebody can enlighten us with what a recruiting coordinator does
Establishes staff recruiting areas and responsibilities.
Compiles recruiting list from coaches, service, etc.
Compiles May recruiting list and transfer information to senior recruiting in the fall.
Arranges recruiting visits for home games.
Creates gameday brochure and mail to prospective recruits.
Organizes game day visit itineraries with staff.
Completes all forms and letters in regards to visits, tickets, etc. with compliance/athletic staff.
Tracks NCAA Clearinghouse list as it pertains to initial eligibility.
Compiles and submits pass list for recruiting days.
Processes proper paper work for official visits w/staff.
Maintains mailing list and check-list on recruits.
Schedules recruiting programs and rooms on campus.
Secures lodging for prospective student athletes on official visits.
Keeps Head Coach up to date on all recruiting matters.
Maintains up-to-date records on all incoming freshmen.
Tracks admissions status for incoming freshmen/transfers.
Tracks housing status for incoming freshmen/transfers.
Keeps staff informed of school calendar, activities, events, recruiting calendar and period, test dates, etc. on monthly basis.
Recruits in state area by travel, phone and letter.
Recruits out of state area by travel, phone and letter.
Maintains recruiting Phone call log and collects from staff.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:04 pm to dgnx6
Just wanted to remind everyone, yes we struggle on offense,and our line sucks ,but the coaches did and have tried to counteract that with scheme. I just think some people on here may not notice it.
A series of games come to mind and may be the best example .
Southeastern got after us because we held the ball too long.the Routes were too long and imo it was based on arrogance .we thought we could do what we wanted cuz we were LSU, but our line couldn't hold up when we tried to score on every play.we Should have the players to do that though. Maybe the problem our o line has ,is how they are being coached.coach e Prolly figured that our superior athletes were coached well enough for him to be able to do what he wanted in that game. because of the lesser opponent we played that night.
By the time we got to the game Against auburn, the offensive coaches knew what we had in our offensive line. The gameplan was to throw short passes and that helped.thats when everyone started talking about how our line seemed to turn around. Well, it wasn't the case, it was just a good scheme for that week.
It was at Florida when the opponent figured that out. They pressed the receivers and took away the quick routes and some of the rpo game.so when we had to get off the press it was too late and Florida got after us in a way that we won't soon forget.
Coaches had to have something new for Georgia, if Georgia decided to use Florida's gameplan,and they did use it.
Thankfully, we had a trick up our sleeve for Georgia. The hurry up offense.this makes the pass rush much less effective,especially when you don't know it's coming. We wore Georgia out, conditioning wise. They were fatigued and they had to be very vanilla on d.
Once the opponents got that hurry up on film, it wasn't nearly as effective. Alabama was ready for it and they didn't have to press or blitz. They just played there match-up zone and said, you cant block our 4 guys.
Bama was capable of getting there with 4 and didn't have to blitz. If the opponent can do that then there's not a lot you can do, scheme wise. They just sit back in that match-up zone and off coverage with the Dbs .we tried the hurry up but didn't get the first down you need to do that, often enough.
You can see that the coaches are capable of adjusting the scheme to protect the line. They tried it all year and we're successful in doing so, alot. There isn't much you can do when the opponent has the guys up front to not have to blitz. Joe Prolly felt like there were twenty guys sitting back there in every zone on The damn field.
I don't want E back either, but to say he's not capable of adjusting scheme is ignorant.i promise he's smarter then us and he's seen it all. We need a new up and coming offensive mind, but he's not stupid, I promise
A series of games come to mind and may be the best example .
Southeastern got after us because we held the ball too long.the Routes were too long and imo it was based on arrogance .we thought we could do what we wanted cuz we were LSU, but our line couldn't hold up when we tried to score on every play.we Should have the players to do that though. Maybe the problem our o line has ,is how they are being coached.coach e Prolly figured that our superior athletes were coached well enough for him to be able to do what he wanted in that game. because of the lesser opponent we played that night.
By the time we got to the game Against auburn, the offensive coaches knew what we had in our offensive line. The gameplan was to throw short passes and that helped.thats when everyone started talking about how our line seemed to turn around. Well, it wasn't the case, it was just a good scheme for that week.
It was at Florida when the opponent figured that out. They pressed the receivers and took away the quick routes and some of the rpo game.so when we had to get off the press it was too late and Florida got after us in a way that we won't soon forget.
Coaches had to have something new for Georgia, if Georgia decided to use Florida's gameplan,and they did use it.
Thankfully, we had a trick up our sleeve for Georgia. The hurry up offense.this makes the pass rush much less effective,especially when you don't know it's coming. We wore Georgia out, conditioning wise. They were fatigued and they had to be very vanilla on d.
Once the opponents got that hurry up on film, it wasn't nearly as effective. Alabama was ready for it and they didn't have to press or blitz. They just played there match-up zone and said, you cant block our 4 guys.
Bama was capable of getting there with 4 and didn't have to blitz. If the opponent can do that then there's not a lot you can do, scheme wise. They just sit back in that match-up zone and off coverage with the Dbs .we tried the hurry up but didn't get the first down you need to do that, often enough.
You can see that the coaches are capable of adjusting the scheme to protect the line. They tried it all year and we're successful in doing so, alot. There isn't much you can do when the opponent has the guys up front to not have to blitz. Joe Prolly felt like there were twenty guys sitting back there in every zone on The damn field.
I don't want E back either, but to say he's not capable of adjusting scheme is ignorant.i promise he's smarter then us and he's seen it all. We need a new up and coming offensive mind, but he's not stupid, I promise
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:33 pm to Tigerpride18
One more thing.
I'm not sure how familiar some of us are with how a team works..
Does everyone realize, the offensive lines play, good or bad, has nothing or very little to do with ensminger.
He's paid to take the best players on the team,design an offense that fits there skill set as an 11 man unit and install that offense in the off season.
He calls the plays during the game and from week to week he takes plays out of the playbook and installs them into the game plan for that week.
The guy doesn't coach up the line during the week. The offensive line coach does that. So he should get fired too, if ensminger gets fired. It's not his fault the line sucks. Hes not responsible for teaching the lineman there technique. He just comes up with the scheme to get the most out of there skill set.
I'm not sure how familiar some of us are with how a team works..
Does everyone realize, the offensive lines play, good or bad, has nothing or very little to do with ensminger.
He's paid to take the best players on the team,design an offense that fits there skill set as an 11 man unit and install that offense in the off season.
He calls the plays during the game and from week to week he takes plays out of the playbook and installs them into the game plan for that week.
The guy doesn't coach up the line during the week. The offensive line coach does that. So he should get fired too, if ensminger gets fired. It's not his fault the line sucks. Hes not responsible for teaching the lineman there technique. He just comes up with the scheme to get the most out of there skill set.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:35 pm to Tigerpride18
Yeah we get that.
What were all saying is that ournoffense nlows andnits not just offensive line issues.
What were all saying is that ournoffense nlows andnits not just offensive line issues.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm to Tigerpride18
In other words, he coach's the line as a unit,he does not coach up there technique during the individual drills at practice,the individual drills are run by the soon to be canned o line coach
Ensminger does tell them how to run the play though... He Teaches the team drills during the in season practices. during the off season he teaches them the offense ,along with all the other offensive positions . He tells them what there reads are,he tells them what the blocking progression is for a given play,among other things. He doesn't individualy teach technique though
Ensminger does tell them how to run the play though... He Teaches the team drills during the in season practices. during the off season he teaches them the offense ,along with all the other offensive positions . He tells them what there reads are,he tells them what the blocking progression is for a given play,among other things. He doesn't individualy teach technique though
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:01 pm to SammyTiger
Yes, I gotcha. I just was concentrating on the o line, because everyone says they suck and that ensminger just lets them suck all year without trying other ways to help them out,scheme wise.
Just not true
Just not true
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:21 pm to bstew3006
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That's why you aren't seeing "he set records" this year. One, he set records against 90th or worst Defenses in 2016. Bc he ran more Shotgun and it forced teams to play more honest. But was stoned against top defense,why? because they knew this was the same offense. Take this year against good defenses and you see the production.
O even said they were taking things from 16. Rt then I knew this offense was going to be a failure.
Legit said we would use 21 and 22 personnel. The same exact shite Cam ran. You just had your head up Orgeron's arse if you didn't see this coming.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:23 pm to bstew3006
The difference between the offense now and the offense in the past that was hand off or zone read out of shotgun that ur talking about, is that the quarterback has a 3rd option..
In the past there was just zone read,hand off, or play action pass out of the gun.
Now theres the zone read play in which the quarterback has a different option and read. Now, the quarterback reads the outside linebacker, or the safety, or whomever is closest to our slot receiver , Instead of reading the d end on the line of scrimmage .
In this play,which is the staple of our offense , the quarterback either gives it to the Rb, keeps it, or throw a slant in behind the olb if he comes up and bites on the potential run. The line is run blocking as well so it's even harder to stop and hard to read
In the past there was just zone read,hand off, or play action pass out of the gun.
Now theres the zone read play in which the quarterback has a different option and read. Now, the quarterback reads the outside linebacker, or the safety, or whomever is closest to our slot receiver , Instead of reading the d end on the line of scrimmage .
In this play,which is the staple of our offense , the quarterback either gives it to the Rb, keeps it, or throw a slant in behind the olb if he comes up and bites on the potential run. The line is run blocking as well so it's even harder to stop and hard to read
Posted on 11/16/18 at 3:41 pm to SportTiger1
quote:Stfu, #milesfault.
2 Senior on this list in Les' last year.
Another is this 2WR sets fallacy.
ATVS did a study and the majority shifted from 2WR to 3WR in 2015, like +65% IIRC.
So Miles did try to change the offense, but should've changed QBs in summer of 2016 instead of letting Cam start his boy Harris.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:22 pm to GeauxTigerNation
quote:I agree. The problem isn't ONLY the OL. The WRs are an issue too, and it's more than just drops (releases, route running, tree decisions, hots, etc).
We really aren't there yet.
So here's how I see it in the framework of "aren't there yet":
If the WRs were more experienced and/or executed better we could handle the OL being where it is.
If the OL was better, we could handle the WRs being what they are.
HOWEVER, if you had to choose between the lesser evils of:
A) The OL is going to turn it around at some point
or
B) The WRs are going to execute better
during the course of this season and wager on which one will happen first, and scheme based off that... choose B.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:48 pm to memphis tiger
[quote]You know you can scheme around that by spreading the defense out and throwing short quick passes.[/quote
These people act like bubble screens don't exist. It is not only an extension of the running game, but it neutralizes a bad pass blocking OL, and with 1 perfect block and the right guy with the ball in his hands, it can spring a big play.
How about Burrow and Helaire running some speed option?
Jet sweeps with Derrick Dillon and Chase or Jefferson?
These people act like bubble screens don't exist. It is not only an extension of the running game, but it neutralizes a bad pass blocking OL, and with 1 perfect block and the right guy with the ball in his hands, it can spring a big play.
How about Burrow and Helaire running some speed option?
Jet sweeps with Derrick Dillon and Chase or Jefferson?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 4:50 pm to I20goon
If all aspect of our offense look like shite
Maybe just maybe it isn’t because your completely devoid of talent
It could be our offense sucks
The “we don’t have the players to run the spread” kind of ignores the fact that the spread was developed by teams that didn’t have the players.
Maybe just maybe it isn’t because your completely devoid of talent
It could be our offense sucks
The “we don’t have the players to run the spread” kind of ignores the fact that the spread was developed by teams that didn’t have the players.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 4:59 pm
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