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Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:32 am to TIsuGGER
quote:
I still miss Jamarcus
I think this thread is a slap (unintentional or not) at Flynn. LSU struggled mightily when Flynn left, not at all when Russell left.
Year prior to Flynn, 0 championships. Flynn, 2 championships. Year after Flynn, no championships.
Year before Flynn, 2 losses. Flynn, 2 losses. Year after Flynn, 5 losses.
Year before Flynn, 438 points scored. Flynn, 541 point scored. Year after Flynn, 402 points scored.
If this year has made us miss a Quarterback, we shouldn't have to jump past a BCSCG MVP to find one to miss, should we?
Since some fans are hung up on stats maybe a closer scrutiny is in order. ;)
Points scored:
06- 438
07- 541
08- 402
LSU scored over a hundred points more in 07 than in 06 yet we had lost three first round draft choices off the offense of the 06 team. All were skill offensive players.
The 08 team scored only thirty-six less points than the 06 team yet everyone will concede that quarterback was the problem.
In 08 we had two of the top receivers back, the same OL as 07, with another years experience, and according to some, a better running back and a great fullback.
Flynn, Hester, and Doucet were the missing offensive players off the 08 team and production dropped over a hundred points.
Yet the 07 team was nothing special?
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:38 am to roygu
quote:
LSU scored over a hundred points more in 07
i'm sure the 58 points against la tech, and the two 3 OT games had nothing to do with that...
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:43 am to TheDoc
JR wasn't the smartest QB that ever was. He's having a hard time adjusting to pro ball.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:48 am to roygu
quote:
LSU scored over a hundred points more in 07 than in 06 yet we had lost three first round draft choices off the offense of the 06 team. All were skill offensive players.
Thats wonderful and all, but . . .
JR was responsible for 29 TDs in 2006 = 179 points
Flynn was responsible for 24 TDs in 2007 = 144 points.
Why does Flynn get credit for a great running game?
Also, 2007 had an extra game (21 points) and 6 OT periods (32 points).
So this really doesn't tell me a whole lot.
Disclaimer: I love Matt Flynn.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:49 am to MasonTiger
quote:
JR wasn't the smartest QB that ever was. He's having a hard time adjusting to pro ball.
and yet he made less mistakes than flynn...
weird!
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:50 am to Antonio Moss
quote:
Why does Flynn get credit for a great running game?
if JR had the 2007 running game, LSU would not have lost a game in 2007, much less two to unranked teams.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:53 am to TheDoc
quote:JR was no better or worse than Flynn, Mauck, Davey, or any other productive QB we've had. To argue this is stupid.
and yet he made less mistakes than flynn...
This post was edited on 5/1/09 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:57 am to Antonio Moss
quote:2007 also had twice as many ranked opponents (8). People tend to forget that one reason those four road games in '06 were such a pain in the arse is because the rest of the schedule was practically a cakewalk: 8 home games, all against unranked teams. It was a primrose path to an undefeated season with four anti-tank mines in the way.
Also, 2007 had an extra game (21 points) and 6 OT periods (32 points).
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:58 am to TheDoc
quote:
if JR had the 2007 running game, LSU would not have lost a game in 2007, much less two to unranked teams.
If Flynn had the 2006 Wide Receivers that JR had, LSU would not have lost a game in 2007. Not that it mattered anyway.
This post was edited on 5/1/09 at 9:02 am
Posted on 5/1/09 at 8:59 am to MasonTiger
quote:
JR was no better or worse than Flynn, Mauck, Davey, etc. To argue this is stupid.
well, in reality, someone has to be better than the other one.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 9:07 am to TheDoc
quote:Fair enough. How about JR was better than Lee.
well, in reality, someone has to be better than the other one.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 10:25 am to MasonTiger
"JR was no better or worse than Flynn, Mauck, Davey, or any other productive QB we've had. To argue this is stupid."
WHat?? I am not a big fan of these threads b/c people tend to disparage (often irrationally) excellent LSU players to make their points. BUT how can you say that it is stupid to argue that JR was better than Flynn et al? JR won the freaking Manning Award as the best QB in the nation AND was the #1 pick in the draft. That he was better than other LSU QB's is at least an arguable point!
By the way, I have no dog in this JR/Flynn fight. I think JR was better than Flynn but tend to think the margin, at least as a college player, was not as great as many of the very pro-JR folks assert. For what it's worth, my favorite LSU QB in my lifetime was Rohan Davey.
WHat?? I am not a big fan of these threads b/c people tend to disparage (often irrationally) excellent LSU players to make their points. BUT how can you say that it is stupid to argue that JR was better than Flynn et al? JR won the freaking Manning Award as the best QB in the nation AND was the #1 pick in the draft. That he was better than other LSU QB's is at least an arguable point!
By the way, I have no dog in this JR/Flynn fight. I think JR was better than Flynn but tend to think the margin, at least as a college player, was not as great as many of the very pro-JR folks assert. For what it's worth, my favorite LSU QB in my lifetime was Rohan Davey.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 10:29 am to TigerBait1127
this is the great thing about college football, players come and ago and if they are special, they will be remebered forever
Posted on 5/1/09 at 11:42 am to TheDoc
quote:
quote:
JR wasn't the smartest QB that ever was. He's having a hard time adjusting to pro ball.
and yet he made less mistakes than flynn...
weird!
actually he made just as many if you count fumbles. not saying that meant he was dumb, just saying he turned the ball over an equal number of times and that you can't use that argument. and a fumble in the backfield usually results in better field position for the opponent compared to a int thrown downfield. unless of course you are JL and the pick goes for six.
Posted on 5/1/09 at 11:55 am to bayoubengal4life
Why you can't trust stats
Player A:
QB rating- 115.70
Yards- 1873
Completion %- 53.2
Touchdowns-13
Y/A- 6.96
INT-16
Player B:
QB rating- 108.99
Yards- 1749
Completion %- 52.7
Touchdowns- 7
Y/A- 6.83
INT- 13
Player A had 269 attempts compared to Player B's 256
So based on stats, pick your QB
Player A:
QB rating- 115.70
Yards- 1873
Completion %- 53.2
Touchdowns-13
Y/A- 6.96
INT-16
Player B:
QB rating- 108.99
Yards- 1749
Completion %- 52.7
Touchdowns- 7
Y/A- 6.83
INT- 13
Player A had 269 attempts compared to Player B's 256
So based on stats, pick your QB
Posted on 5/1/09 at 12:02 pm to mlttiger
A
Posted on 5/1/09 at 12:03 pm to Tiger Roux
I'm going to wait to see if anybody else wants to guess, before I bias the reader with the answer
This post was edited on 5/1/09 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/1/09 at 12:11 pm to mlttiger
quote:
Why you can't trust stats
Player A:
QB rating- 115.70
Yards- 1873
Completion %- 53.2
Touchdowns-13
Y/A- 6.96
INT-16
Player B:
QB rating- 108.99
Yards- 1749
Completion %- 52.7
Touchdowns- 7
Y/A- 6.83
INT- 13
Player A had 269 attempts compared to Player B's 256
So based on stats, pick your QB
well stafford was bad as a freshman, i don't think anyone would argue that
lee was also bad as a freshman, and was put in a bad situation
they were both shitty
This post was edited on 5/1/09 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/1/09 at 12:13 pm to TigerBait1127
fine since its been revealed, A is Lee and B is Stafford, both freshman year
well people still thought he was a great QB, and was going to turn around the program, but all I'm saying is that being a QB isn't all about stats
well people still thought he was a great QB, and was going to turn around the program, but all I'm saying is that being a QB isn't all about stats
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