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re: If JR comes back in 2007 and we win the Title
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:13 pm to STEVED00
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:13 pm to STEVED00
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We won the NC with an average at best SEC QB who seemed to play great in the 4th quarter after being below avg usually in the first 3.
A qb's job is to manage the game. The reason has everything to do with handling the inexperience of the receiving corps in 2007. JR's go to man was Dbowe. Buster was the consistent, good route receiver and Doucet was his usual great self. How many dropped balls, wrong routes and inexperience did you see early in 2007?
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Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:20 pm to wds
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How many dropped balls,
you don't think Bowe dropped a ton of balls at lsu
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:24 pm to TigerBait1127
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you don't think Bowe dropped a ton of balls at lsu
More than Lafell in 2007?
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:29 pm to wds
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A qb's job is to manage the game.
Ahh the Trent Dilfer philosophy. I'll take the Tom Brady approach. Thank you very much...
BTW, Flynn wasn't the best at protecting the football anyway. He made a lot of careless plays with the ball.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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does a large segment of LSU fans continue to dislike him?
You would have to be an idiot to dislike JM.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:44 pm to wds
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The main difference between 2006 and 2007 outside of the schedule was the development of the receiving corps.
And the OC.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 3:59 pm to PokerPlayingTiger
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You would have to be an idiot to dislike JM.
^^^This
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:18 pm to Guess
"The main difference between 2006 and 2007 outside of the schedule was the development of the receiving corps.
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And the OC."
And unfortunately, the defense, especially after some injuries. The '06 D would have loved to take its chances with 27 and 28 (Ky. and Ark.) points being put up in regulation time by the offense.
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And the OC."
And unfortunately, the defense, especially after some injuries. The '06 D would have loved to take its chances with 27 and 28 (Ky. and Ark.) points being put up in regulation time by the offense.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:18 pm to Guess
I think what hurt JR's likability to most of the fan base is that we won the NC the year after he left. I know that most people i talked to thought we had the most talented team in the nation from 2005-2007 and should have won more than just 1 national championship. I for one thought we should have won more than 1. And for most of those people they look at the fact that really one of the only things that changed during that period was that we lost our QB. I konw other people graduated, but that was one of the big things that changed. Again, i am not saying that i dislike JR, i thought he was probably the best QB i have seen at LSU!
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:20 pm to CalLSU
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I think what hurt JR's likability to most of the fan base is that we won the NC the year after he left.
Do Tenn fans like Peyton?
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And for most of those people they look at the fact that really one of the only things that changed during that period was that we lost our QB
And the OC, most significantly.
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:29 pm to biglego
Oh shite this turned into a MF vs JR debate....
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:32 pm to tduecen
How did I miss this??
JR >>> MF
JR >>> MF
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:35 pm to The Boat
Jamie Howard is greater than them all
Posted on 6/30/09 at 4:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
yes. Flynn was only a average QB. JR was great.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:02 am to biglego
The other big difference between 2006 and 2007 was a ton of luck. People tend to forget that we lost the same # of games in 2006 as 2007.
ETA: Hell, we only lost one regular season game in Miles' first year and went to the chicken bowl. Luck has more impact on where teams end up than most of us want to believe.
ETA: Hell, we only lost one regular season game in Miles' first year and went to the chicken bowl. Luck has more impact on where teams end up than most of us want to believe.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:05 am to CalLSU
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I know that most people i talked to thought we had the most talented team in the nation from 2005-2007
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:12 am to Tiger Voodoo
I'm gonna take some hits again, but they win a 2nd title with Saban at the helm in'05, they don't blow that lead against Tenn and def don't lose to UGA in the SECCG. oh well, fire away.
This post was edited on 7/1/09 at 9:13 am
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:17 am to tubucoco
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I'm gonna take some hits again, but they win a 2nd title with Saban at the helm in'05, they don't blow that lead against Tenn and def don't lose to UGA in the SECCG. oh well, fire away.
This was brought in a thread a few weeks ago, where would LSU be had Saban stuck around. This was my reply: (and just to address your point, I don't think Saban would have handled the JR/Flynn situation very well. Similar to the way he botched the Booty/Rohan situation in 2000. And if anything, we beat Tennessee but still lose to UGA. Having Saban wouldn't have changed the fatigue factor)
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Honestly, I think we would be in just about the same place.
2005- I honestly don't think Saban would have done as good of a job in 05 with all the disruptions. Saban is very routine and schedule oriented, and I think he would have gotten very frustrated that year. I think we would have beaten Tennessee but lost to Auburn and possibly Florida and not made it to Atlanta, but I do think we would have smoked whoever we played in our bowl after a month to regroup. It would have been interesting to see how Saban handled the JR/Flynn QB situation too. It could have been very reminiscent of the JR/Randle or Booty/Rohan debacles. ADV- Miles
2006- We would not have beaten Auburn. Our D was not our problem that day, and the game would have been very similar to AU in 04. We probably wouldn't have beaten Florida either. That was just a rash of miscues on an off day for us. I think the Tennessee game would have been VERY interesting, though. I'm not sure that Saban would have had the patience with Jamarcus that Miles did after his 3 picks and that killer pick 6 to start the 3rd quarter. Saban would have gone ballistic and possibly pulled him for Flynn at that point. Very possible we lose that game. Again, though, I still think we'd smoke whoever we played in our bowl. Slight ADV- Miles
2007- Here is where I think Saban would have one upped Miles. I still think we would have lost to Kentucky and probably not even got to overtime, a very Florida 2003 type game, especially seeing as how Crowton would NOT have been our OC if Saban was still here, but I do think we would have beaten Arkansas. No way our D would have fallen apart the way it did the 2nd half of 07 with Saban. I think we still beat UT with a backup even though it wouldn't have been RP, similar to UT in 01. So I think we win the NC with only 1 loss, but struggle more in the NCG without Crowton as OC, but win a close one, similar to OU in 03. ADV- Saban
2008- About the same. Better on defense, but worse on offense. If there is anyone who doesn't know how to handle a young and struggling QB its Saban. I think we lose to Auburn, still lose to Florida, Georgia and Ole Miss, but beat Arkansas and probably Bama because Bama wouldn't be as good without Saban. Slight ADV- Saban
No more SEC or National titles, one less SECCG appearance with Saban. Honestly.
2009- I also predict that Saban would do worse in 09 than Miles will. Again, Saban would NOT have Crowton, so our O will be better with Miles, and the D staff Miles has brought in I think will negate whatever advantage Saban had on the D side of the ball. I think Miles and his staff will do a better job with this team than Saban and his staff could. ADV MILES
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:22 am to tubucoco
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but they win a 2nd title with Saban at the helm in'05, they don't blow that lead against Tenn and def don't lose to UGA in the SECCG.
if Saban had coached that 2005 in the Katrina aftermath,LSU would have gone 7-4,6-5 maybe and players would have bailed left and right.
Posted on 7/1/09 at 9:28 am to I-59 Tiger
I don't get the bailed analogy, people always say that on here, but players always have a lot of respect for Saban, they tell you that.
and he is a firm task master, always in control of his teams, but I agree with VooDoo about handling the QB situation, that is not his strong suit, it shouldn't be anyway, he is not a offensive minded coach.
and he is a firm task master, always in control of his teams, but I agree with VooDoo about handling the QB situation, that is not his strong suit, it shouldn't be anyway, he is not a offensive minded coach.
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