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re: If we hired a new coach today and in the next 5 years we win...
Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:48 pm to tigermikear
Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:48 pm to tigermikear
quote:They won the NC in 2006 and 2008 and were one win away in 2009 (loss to the eventual NCs). Isn't that a 4 year span?
Year 2 of their window.
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Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:51 pm to ForeLSU
quote:I like your thinking and agree. Reminiscent of this years team that was actually more like a 4-5 win team and at the end of the year struggled to beat lesser teams like La Tech and Arkansas and outright lost the other games at the end of the season.
it was actually more like a 5-6 win team, but some of you just looked at the wins and were happy. The QB position regressed as the year went a long, and at the end of the year the team struggled to beat lesser teams like Ole Miss and Troy, and even looked sluggish against Vandy.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:53 pm to tigermikear
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Why leave out USC, they were title contenders every year from 2003-2008.
They haven't been in the hunt when it mattered (unless you count ESPN hype) since 2004. Early losses to terrible teams cost them a shot every year. Their schedule has been so weak and the hype so ridiculous, it feels like they competed but they really haven't.
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OU went to the 03 and 04 title games, they had a bad year in 05, they won the Big 12 in 06 and were title contenders in 07 and 08.
4 losses in 2005, 3 losses in 2006, 3 losses in 2007. Winning the Big 12= they beat Texas...that's it. They are the classic window example. Didn't compete this year either.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:56 pm to ForeLSU
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struggled to beat lesser teams like Ole Miss
can't say that about this season.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 2:58 pm to tigermikear
quote:I really can understand what you are trying to say, but you need to rethink this.
Winning the Big 12= they beat Texas...that's it. They are the classic window example. Didn't compete this year either.
OU won the BCSCG in 2000, played for it in 2003, played for it in 2004 and played for it again in 2008.
To me that throws out any "3-year window" theory.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:03 pm to tigermikear
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The transition to Tebow cost them a year.
WTF are you talking about? It was their young Defense that cost them that year Tebow had one of the best seasons ever.
Their 4 loses that year were a last second FG by Auburn, the epic game at BR where a more talented LSU team needed 5 4th downs and a late TD to pull out a 4 point win. They got killed by UGA who was playing great at that point and lost in the Cap 1 to a talented Michigan team that had a 4 year starters at QB and RB and was playing the last game for their coach.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:07 pm to drizztiger
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I really can understand what you are trying to say, but you need to rethink this.
OU won the BCSCG in 2000, played for it in 2003, played for it in 2004 and played for it again in 2008.
To me that throws out any "3-year window" theory.
It's not theory, it's just how it works out. And I said 2-3 yrs. How do you not see this??
2000 OU MNC
Retooling (2 years)
2001 2 Losses before december
2002 2 Losses before december
2nd Window (2 years)
2003 Lost in BCSNC
2004 Lost in BCSNC
Retooling (3 years)
2005 4 losses
2006 3 losses
2007 3 losses
3rd Window (1 year)
2008 Lost in BCSNC
Retooling (??? years)
2009 5 losses
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The transition to Tebow cost them a year.
DUDE WON THE frickIN HEISMAN THAT YEAR!!!!!!!!
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:10 pm to tigermikear
quote:It's a theory regardless if you say otherwise.
It's not theory, it's just how it works out.
It's also nice that you get to attach whatever year of your theory to whatever season you decide.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:10 pm to tigermikear
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hey haven't been in the hunt when it mattered (unless you count ESPN hype) since 2004.
Lets see, they played in the National Title game in 2005 and had they not lost their last game to a mediocre UCLA team in 2006 they would have been in the 2006 title game. I'm pretty sure both of those were after 2004. They were also ranked #1 at some point in both the 2007 and 2008 seasons bad loses and weak SOS did keep them out at the end.
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4 losses in 2005, 3 losses in 2006, 3 losses in 2007. Winning the Big 12= they beat Texas...that's it.
you will note that 3 losses is more than 4 or 5. It would also help your credibility if you knew what you were talking about. In 2006 OU lost to Texas, Texas lost 2 late games to cost them the Big 12 south when McCoy got hurt, in 2007 OU beat #1 ranked Missouri in the Big 12 title game.
Their down years included 2 conference titles and 2 BCS bowl, though they did lose both. In 2007 they were #3 (maybe #4) in the final BCS rankings.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:11 pm to TheBaker
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DUDE WON THE frickIN HEISMAN THAT YEAR!!!!!!!!
Sorry - wasn't my intent to blame that year on Tebow...just that they transitioned to TEBOW and lost 4 games. I don't care who's fault it was...they didn't compete for a National Championship.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:13 pm to tigermikear
You guys are right...I'm wrong. All these teams (except for LSU) legitimately compete for national titles every year without ever having 1-3 down years in a row. What was I thinking?
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:14 pm to tigermikear
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2000 OU MNC
Retooling (2 years)
2001 2 Losses before december
2002 2 Losses before december
In 2007 LSU had 2 loses before Dec were we retooling that year? You are arguing after the fact. OU was in control of their own path to the NCG in 2001 and 2002 but lost a late game. They were not retooling in either year. You could say they blew it or choked or whatever, but they were not retooling. They were contenders. In 2005 and 2006 and 2009 they were retooling.
When you win your conference you are not "retooling". I don't care what conference it is and BTW, the Big 12 was the best conference in CFB in 2000, 2001 and 2002.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:18 pm to tigermikear
You specifically stated that teams have a 2-3 year window to compete for a NC. Then you use years 2-3 after a NC to show rebuilding, which goes against your theory.
Then you disregard programs like OU, USC, Florida and LSU that have competed for NCs packed together in windows, separated by a year or two, or just spread out over 10 years.
You are basically trying to force data into your theory and it's not working.
Then you disregard programs like OU, USC, Florida and LSU that have competed for NCs packed together in windows, separated by a year or two, or just spread out over 10 years.
You are basically trying to force data into your theory and it's not working.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:18 pm to tigermikear
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What was I thinking?
you are trying to make excuse for LSU bad coaching.
No one wins NC 4, 5 years in a row, there are too many other good teams. None of the teams you mentioned except maybe Texas had had 2 years with out legitimately contending in their conference and or making a BCS bowl.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:23 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Then you disregard programs like OU, USC, Florida and LSU that have competed for NCs packed together in windows, separated by a year or two, or just spread out over 10 years
Dude- You just defined the theory! Competing for NC's in windows, separated by a year or two! Thanks for the endorsement.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:26 pm to tigermikear
Okay that's enough. Your theory is wrong and your reading comprehension is lacking.
There is no magical 2-3 year window as the actual results have proven otherwise.
There is no magical 2-3 year window as the actual results have proven otherwise.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:27 pm to tigermikear
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Watch Alabama retool this upcoming season. They have a real good chance to go back to back
aint happening
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:28 pm to BiggDaddy Bayou
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Watch Alabama retool this upcoming season. They have a real good chance to go back to back.
They lose everyone on defense. McElroy is still very average. NC hunger will probably lessen. Schedule is much more difficult.
They could do it, but I wouldn't consider it highly probable. They had more coming back this past year and it wasn't a cakewalk.
Posted on 1/10/10 at 3:28 pm to Champs
No. I'd need to know a lot more than that. Direction of the program, perception of the program, amount being paid to the coach, is the program clean (for the most part)?
Is he going 7-5 ever year outside of the NC? Is he losing in state recruits?
There are so many things outside of just records that some of you ignore.
Is he going 7-5 ever year outside of the NC? Is he losing in state recruits?
There are so many things outside of just records that some of you ignore.
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