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re: IMO Brandon Harris isn't bad
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:56 pm to TigerBait1127
Posted on 3/7/16 at 2:56 pm to TigerBait1127
You suck at comprehending 
I bet Shakespeare fricked your world
Since Mett, means we have failed at developing or recruiting a competent QB since he played. Meaning every QB after him has not been very good.
Wasting another year trying to develop a QB instead of going the Juco route in recruiting or getting one in here that fits our system instead of trying to mold a QB that lacks vision and has a hard time recognizing defenses
I bet Shakespeare fricked your world
Since Mett, means we have failed at developing or recruiting a competent QB since he played. Meaning every QB after him has not been very good.
Wasting another year trying to develop a QB instead of going the Juco route in recruiting or getting one in here that fits our system instead of trying to mold a QB that lacks vision and has a hard time recognizing defenses
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 3:04 pm
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:04 pm to LSUNV
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Since Mett, means we have failed at developing or recruiting a competent QB since he played. Meaning every QB after him has not been very good.
Wasting another year trying to develop a QB instead of going the Juco route in recruiting or getting one in here that fits our system
You suck at translating your thoughts to words. Clearly I should have known you wanted to go the Juco route with your OP.
But yea, no way Harris can possibly be a QB at this point
Harris is literally the first QB recruited by Cam since Mett, so you're talking about 1 season. Derp.
I'm all for bringing in a QB to fit our system, but I doubt a freshman QB could come in and beat out Harris THIS season.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 3:55 pm to TigerBait1127
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You're embarrassing yourself.
Ha, yeah, its me who is embarrassing himself. Look how far you have detracted from the premise of this thread. What are you trying to prove? You aren't going to trap me into saying that one has better stats than the other. The on-field results were not materially different, and I am not concerned with how they got there.
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Harris was awful last year, no better than Jennings the year before him
Which does not equal:
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He wasn't good. Neither was Jennings.
Yeah those are pretty much the same.
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Since you are the one who made the original claim. PROVE that Jennings is objectively equal to Harris. You're a hypocrite.
You don't know what a hypocrite even is, judging by the context in which you used it.
No, you are just a fool with a reading comprehension level that couldn't pass the LEAP test. You are making this more difficult than it needs to be. Our QBs haven't been able to take the reigns and win a game for us the past 2 years. They both struggled to complete passes and move the chains.
To humor you, here are some stats that actually have context.
As you mentioned, football is a team sport, so why would we analyze stats that generally only pertain to an individual player?
Time of possession: LSU is a possession team, I don't think that can be argued. Especially the way the league has evolved, we attempt to limit opponents' possessions, and play our style. This is a function of both offensive and defensive success.
2014 - 32:58 (55%)
2015 - 31:20 (52.2%)
So, both just a hair above 50%, which is positive, but less than a 3% difference between the two. Nothing too significant here.
3rd down conversion: Given what was established above -ToP is the crux of our gameplan - it stands to reason that we need to stay on the field on 3rd down. As we are a running team, we have to expect to face some tough 3rd downs if either 1st or 2nd down runs are unsuccessful.
------------| LSU | Opponent
2014:| 37.95% | 37.16%
2015:| 39.86% | 35.53%
For reference, in both years we faced 3rd down on just about 19% of our plays (we ran 4 more plays a game in 2014 and faced one more 3rd down) Both of these are right about middle of the ncaa, within ~1% of the national median. They are also within 2% of eachother, so still nothing significant.
SEC West: The first goal of the team is to win the division, as it opens the gate to all subsequent and potential accomplishments.
2014: 4th Place
2015: 4th Place
Yards per play(YPP)/Yards per Attempt (YPA)while not perfect, its our best indication of how the offense did on each individual try:
YPP LSU | Opponent
2014: 5.3 | 5.0
2015: 6.6 | 4.9
YPA
2014: 7.2
2015: 7.8
Harris did better, obviously, but by passing <20 times a game, this only results in an extra 13 or so yards a game. Not too significant. Let's also note that this stat is driven by both passing yardage and rate of completion, and can be seen as the least common denominator between passing efficiency and yardage output. Using Brandon's increased efficiency, projected upon 2014's passes per game, we are talking about a total of 13 yards a game. Was there one game that you could say 13 yards cost us the game? Perhaps Bama, but 2015 LSU couldn't pull that off either.
Both of them were actually surprisingly high in this category, both in the top half of the country and Harris at 39. Further, you can see that yards per play increased by more than pass YPA, so obviously rush YPA increased overall, which indicates our rushing game improved.
Jennings also got sacked 5 more times for more than 50 yards more than Harris, whie some of that was on him, I think that coupled with the above re: rush ypa, there is an indication that our OL performed better in 2015.
Passing Yards as a % of total offense: This is more of a philosophy thing IMO, so not surprising they aren't much different, and are near the bottom of the country.
2014: 41.95%
2015: 41.26%
I'm just going to stop there, because you either get it or you don't. Can you reasonably conclude, based on all of this data, that one was materially better than the other one. Of course one of them had to perform better than the other, but was it enough to make any bit of difference? Is it worth noting that your dick is bigger than another guys, if you both have < 3 inch dicks? No. Neither of you will satisfy a woman, so its best to just not bring it up.
And no, I'm not coming after Drew Brees, Im going after idiots like you that cannot seem to separate individual accomplishment to overall impact.
ETA:edited to add opponents where applicable.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:01 pm to TigerBait1127
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Could have sworn Jarvis and ODB were on the team the year before, along with Hill....
Fun fact, they all increased in age, and thus all of life's experiences, by roughly 5% over that span.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:10 pm to OceanMan
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You aren't going to trap me into saying that one has better stats than the other.
You already did:
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Sure, he has better stats, fantastic.
Derp
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Our QBs haven't been able to take the reigns and win a game for us the past 2 years.
I'd give Harris more credit than that in the UF game.
You've seemed to completely ignore defense in your entire analysis, despite:
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As you mentioned, football is a team sport,
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And no, I'm not coming after Drew Brees, Im going after idiots like you that cannot seem to separate individual accomplishment to overall impact.
So you brought up Drew Brees but weren't coming after him.
Why bring up his individual accomplishments at all? Is he not a great and HoF QB? I see you ignored the rest of the questions pertaining to Brees.
But you missed the point again (because you're an idiot), of it being a team sport. Not even the great Drew Brees can overcome a completely terrible defense and poor oline play.
Was Manning better than Brees last year? Was Martin better than Manning at Tennessee? No, try again
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No, you are just a fool with a reading comprehension level that couldn't pass the LEAP test.
This gave me a chuckle. I'll try to pass it next year and frame it next to my degrees.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:13 pm to TigerBait1127
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He's been the starter for 1 season. So this has been the song and dance for 1 season?
He had the opportunity to become the starter his freshmen year, and thus had the opportunity to prepare like the starter that season. You may have remembered he actually started a game in 2014. Heard he got injured in that one too.
This is a silly argument.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:16 pm to OceanMan
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He had the opportunity to become the starter his freshmen year, and thus had the opportunity to prepare like the starter that season. You may have remembered he actually started a game in 2014. Heard he got injured in that one too.
This is a silly argument.
You seriously don't see the logical holes in what you just posted in relation to that original post?
So people were saying next year going into the 2014 season when Harris wasn't considered the starter? Makes sense
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Heard he got injured in that one too.
Yea, these are just rumors. Harris had sports hernia surgery for shits and giggles. He wasn't actually hurt, and no way could it have impacted his play.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:31 pm to TigerBait1127
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So you brought up Drew Brees but weren't coming after him.
I know I rustled your shite about Drew Brees, but lets forget about him for a moment, as that is all you seem to want to focus on.
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You've seemed to completely ignore defense in your entire analysis, despite:
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As you mentioned, football is a team sport,
My mistake, I meant to include opponents 3rd down conversions
2014: 37.16%
2015: 35.53%
Both were near the top of the country, and not materially different.
Also, meant to do the opponents yards per play
2014: 4.9
2015: 5.0
Basically equal. Also, the ToP sort of includes defense as well, seeing as they are directly responsible for the reciprocal of those percentages. Finally, I think TEAM RECORD represents defensive performance, at least to some degree. I suppose you could have clicked the link and actually looked for yourself, but you clearly don't even have a clue of what I am trying to explain to you, so I shouldn't expect for you to be able to figure it out yourself.
So answer the damn question. When broken down on a per unit basis, can you reasonably conclude that one was responsible for materially better results?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:34 pm to TigerBait1127
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Yea, these are just rumors. Harris had sports hernia surgery for shits and giggles. He wasn't actually hurt, and no way could it have impacted his play.
I heard he hurt his ankle in the Auburn game.
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So people were saying next year going into the 2014 season when Harris wasn't considered the starter? Makes sense
No, this actually does not make any sense.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:43 pm to TigerBait1127
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I'd give Harris more credit than that in the UF game.
Jennings threw a go ahead TD inside of 3:00 @ the Swamp. I'm assuming you wouldn't give him credit there too? But yeah, Harris actually looked great against UF, so I don't want to take away from him there.
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This gave me a chuckle. I'll try to pass it next year and frame it next to my degrees.
You laugh, but either you have some sort of learning disability, or you are deliberately ignoring what I am trying to communicate in order to have a childish argument.
And I sure you were cum laude at TigerDroppings University.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 4:59 pm to TigerBait1127
You were the only one
The other guy got
The other guy got
Posted on 3/7/16 at 5:02 pm to TigerBait1127
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Harris is literally the first QB recruited by Cam since Mett, so you're talking about 1 season. Derp.
Justin McMillan Derp
Posted on 3/7/16 at 6:53 pm to LSUNV
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Justin McMillan Derp
Justin McMillan was recruited before Harris?
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:00 pm to GA Tiger
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Let him throw!
We tried this. Harris was not accurate on short or intermediate throws. I swear its like our fans dont even watch the games.
I think you need to go back and look at pass attempts in Arky and Ole Miss games. You do realize that you can look this shite up, right?
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:09 pm to OceanMan
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Prove it. Seriously, I want to know what makes you think that our QB play put us in any better position to win in 2015 than 2014. Its easy just to drive by and discredit an opinion that you don't agree with.
Harris was better than Jennings soley because of his deep ball. Harris throws one of the best deep balls in cfb. Its mond blowing how a young qb could have such a beautiful deep ball while struggling to connect on high school throws.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:13 pm to OceanMan
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My mistake, I meant to include opponents 3rd down conversions 2014: 37.16% 2015: 35.53% Both were near the top of the country, and not materially different. Also, meant to do the opponents yards per play 2014: 4.9 2015: 5.0
Really having to go down far down the food chain for these. Wonder why you didn't go with these:
PPG/against
2015- 44th at 24.0/game
2014 - 3rd at 16.4/game
Or did you forget all the completely blown coverages last season?
Since you're wanting to truly reach to find anything to support your argument (and you still can't), let us look at true efficiency statistics provided by Football Outsiders.
Offense
2015 - 17th overall
2015 - 12th (Passing 37th)
2014 - 55th Overall
2014 - 38th (Passing 63rd)
Defense
2015 - 39th
2015 - 27th
2014 - 17th
2014 - 9th
Man, I love advanced stats
So even with a much better defense, we won less games
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but you clearly don't even have a clue of what I am trying to explain to you, so I shouldn't expect for you to be able to figure it out yourself.
I fully understand what you're attempting to explain, it's just an absolutely awful argument. Keep relying on the wins argument (which still isn't true - hence you reaching all the way to SEC Standings and ignoring my other comments on it).
And for fun, let's have back to this boom:
Harris vs Jennings
% 53.8 > 48.9
YPA 7.82 vs 7.10
TDs 13 > 11
INTs 6 > 7
Yards 2,165 vs 1,611
Rating 130.6 > 118.3
Rushing TDs 4 > 0
Damn those stats
Enjoy your evening and coloring books.
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:22 pm to GA Tiger
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Problem was Miles shut him after a few mistakes. Yes, that carried over to Ole Miss & Ark. IMO Miles overreacts to a mistake & will not throw anymore.
The problem seems to be you have been in a cave somewhere if you didn't know Harris had an injury in the Alabama game that required surgery after the season.
You probably should try to keep up with LSU football a little better. Might stop you from making stupid arse post that only makes you look clueless.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:32 pm to TigerBait1127
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Mett was a Senior QB too, Harris was a true Soph
And again.
Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:40 pm to atltiger6487
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Mett was a Senior QB too, Harris was a true Soph
And again
Missing that context again.
Harris last year vs Mett's JR year
% 53.8 58.8
YPA 7.82 7.4
TDs 13 12
INTs 6 7
Yards 2,165 2,609
Rating 130.6 128.3
Rushing TDs 4 0
Now do I need to show you how Mett managed to improve? His senior season was statistically outstanding. But hey, that's because of Landry and ODB who were on the team the year before too... Did they get better with experience too? Shocking
Players tend to improve with experience. Works in the real world too.
I'm out. I've always enjoyed the positivity you've brought to this board. You're refreshing /s
This post was edited on 3/7/16 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:11 pm to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
There is no use in trying to explain it to him. He thinks and has posted that youth and inexperience at the qb position shouldn't be used to explain a qbs shortcomings. He is one of those posters that doesnt realize that those qbs are the outliers and not the norm. Its the same kind of poster that tLks aboit how tough and deep the sec is and then gets mad when lsu doesn't win with abunch of true freshman and true sophomores.
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