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re: Is it arrogance or confidence that Coach Orgeron possesses
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:17 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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I bet about right now they wish they hadn't passed. The LSU head coach just hired the OC who hung 76 points on them last November. 76 freaking points.
Oh shite, just remembered Syracuse comes to Baton Rouge this year. LSU has the OC that hung 76 on them with Pittsburgh. Now he gets a shot at them with LSU talent and Aranda getting the ball back more often.
Syracuse fooked and will really regret not hiring the O.
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Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:18 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
With Aranda and Canada and the current team, what are your expectations for 2017? What w/l record, specifically?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:22 pm to SeekGreatness
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You are failing to distinguish "crucifying the HC" from being skeptical about the hire.
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That love doesn't blind me from logically seeing that LSU refusing to pay Jimbo
So you think Jimbo has the better staff?
You think Jimbo has a better defensive coordinator than Dave Aranda?
You think his OC (besides himself) is better than Matt Canada and will score more points this season?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:23 pm to TrueTigerTale
Coach O was a shitty hire but now we are stuck with him. I do give him credit for how has changed things but was disappointed in how we played against Florida, with everything on the line we layed egg.
I am worried about his decision making skills in crucial situation as the HEAD coach, calling the right time outs etc.
He has a good OC and new coaches so we should see a good product on the field. I will give this man time to implement his plan.
Alleva should be fired and get his arse kicked for that God awful contract he gave to this man..
I am willing to say let see how this season plays out.
I am worried about his decision making skills in crucial situation as the HEAD coach, calling the right time outs etc.
He has a good OC and new coaches so we should see a good product on the field. I will give this man time to implement his plan.
Alleva should be fired and get his arse kicked for that God awful contract he gave to this man..
I am willing to say let see how this season plays out.
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:25 pm to Tiger Ree
Unequivocally Jimbo is the far better coach. Talk of coordinators is deflection. He also does something better than anyone else in the NCAA, including all of Alabama's staff: develop quarterbacks.
I think Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, Swinney, and maybe Harbaugh are the elite coaches in the NCAA. How can you not see this?
Jimbo is a better OC than Canada. He wouldn't need one.
The rest is moot. Your HC is the stable one, not your coordinators. You seriously think Aranda won't go to the NFL and Canada will be here permanently? Seriously?
I think Jimbo, Meyer, Saban, Swinney, and maybe Harbaugh are the elite coaches in the NCAA. How can you not see this?
Jimbo is a better OC than Canada. He wouldn't need one.
The rest is moot. Your HC is the stable one, not your coordinators. You seriously think Aranda won't go to the NFL and Canada will be here permanently? Seriously?
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:29 pm to Broski
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Alabama & Florida for starters.
The Alabama head coach has reached out to coaches that have been on staff and worked for Matt Canada at his different jobs. He is not doing this just because he is a really friendly person. He is trying to pick their brains on how Canada's offensive may be slowed down. If he was laughing I don't think he would be doing that.
LSU outgained Florida 423-270 with a TE's coach running the offense. 98 of their 270 yards came on one busted play by LSU's defense. Nope, Florida would not be laughing at LSU even if the TE's coach was still running the offense.
Are there any others you can think of?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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Name these teams that are laughing at LSU.
the 13 sec programs that wouldnt have ed orgeron in to interview for a defensive coordinator job.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:31 pm to Broski
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Pump the breaks there, champ. Canada is a good offensive mind, could be a great one, but he has proved nothing at the top level yet.
Really? 43 points against national champ Clemson. 42 against Rose bowl participant Penn St. 36 on a very good Virginia Tech D. Most points scored against the Tar Heels (36).
Considering a likely disadvantage in talent, Canada has proved he can win against very good teams.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:35 pm to Tiger Ree
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Who the frick cares.
well since you are on here telling people how great a hire it is, you must care.
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shite I was going to use an icon thing for the first time ever but they don't have a kissing or smooches one. shite, can't give you a kiss from your gay hero.
hero? at this point the coach doesn't matter. I'm just pointing out your ignorant logic. you don't give credit to an actual HEAD COACH during his 1st year because it wasnt" his program" and yet you act like an interim tenure is actually ed orgeron' s program. the identity of the coach is irrelevant.
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frick, you say the same shite over and over and over and over. Damn man, quit wasting time and board space.
he irony is glorious.
you have a 17 point post copied and saved that you constantly post.
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Arkansas is not laughing at LSU and Ed Orgeron. 38-10 with a TE's coach running the offense prevents that. Hiring the only offensive Broyles Award finalist as the new OC damn sure doesn't have them laughing.
any sec program that didn't hire a 55 year old career dline coach is laughing at lsu.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:39 pm to SeekGreatness
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With Aranda and Canada and the current team, what are your expectations for 2017? What w/l record, specifically?
An enjoyable to watch football team. I'm not going to set my hopes to high or too low. I'm going in with an open mind and enjoying watching my favorite team play football like I have known they were capable of.
If Les were the coach again this year or had continued to coach LSU last year I had already decided I was not going to watch any more LSU games live. I was going to record them and if LSU won I would watch the game, if they lost I would just delete the shite. Watching LSU football was not fun anymore and just too frustrating. Since O took over it is enjoyable again, so I am just sticking with that for the moment.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:41 pm to Tiger Ree
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An enjoyable to watch football team.
So wins/losses isn't the most important criteria. Got it.
If it's 9-3 or 8-4 but was "fun to watch," that's all that matters.
Damn, that's insanity. To me, UF 2016 wasn't fun to watch. Beating them all over the field but not capitalizing didn't matter a damn bit. It meant nothing.
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:42 pm to TrueTigerTale
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Are you confusing Miles and Orgeron? Which one conned people into thinking he could coach
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:45 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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the 13 sec programs that wouldnt have ed orgeron in to interview for a defensive coordinator job
Now you're just spewing drunken shite. Coach O already handily beat four of the 13 SEC teams. That was with a TE's coach as OC. I guarantee those teams weren't laughing then and they damn sure aren't laughing now that LSU has the only Broyles Award finalist as OC.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:54 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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well since you are on here telling people how great a hire it is, you must care.
I should care if the LSU head football coach was a DC what is it again, 32 to 37 years ago?
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you don't give credit to an actual HEAD COACH during his 1st year because it wasnt" his program"
Dude, your brain is stuck. I have on multiple occasions given kissing-bandit credit for a great first season. It was REALLY amazing right up to the point he lost to UCONN. Not basketball UCONN but the football UCONN.
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and yet you act like an interim tenure is actually ed orgeron' s program
No, I have given Coach O credit for what he accomplished in spite of having all of CLM's inept staff except for the OC who he fired his first day on the job. I have said it multiple times in this thread. Did you just jump in at the end of the thread without reading the thread title or any of the posts and start spewing your broken record shite?
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you have a 17 point post copied and saved that you constantly post.
You should try it. It will save a lot of time typing the same shite over and over and over and over. I don't post my bookmarked post near as often as you type your same tired shite.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:56 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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any sec program that didn't hire a 55 year old career dline coach is laughing at lsu.
Even the ones who got their asses kicked by the 55 year old career dline coach with his TE's coach running the offense? That would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:58 pm to Tiger Ree
I'm seriously wondering if you are Derek. As a PR person myself, I recognize the art of messaging, deflecting and bridging when I see it. And the fact that you won't nail down a W/L expectation really says a lot.
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 10:58 pm to TrueTigerTale
Confidence all the way. He's grown so much as a coach. U can see it in the way he runs things. He's gonna do just fine.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 11:01 pm to TheHat7
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He's grown so much as a coach. U can see it in the way he runs things.
Interesting. Can you tell us what he does now that he didn't do before he grew up as a coach?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 11:03 pm to TrueTigerTale
I would say anyone who could come in and salvage the season last year like coach O did should at least be able tobe given the benefit of the doubt to coach before being judged. Of course we will lose some players who don't fit in with the new system. That always happens when you switch out a whole coaching philosophy. To answer the OP's question... Both. You have to have arrogance AND confidence to coach on about any level in any sport. There were moments I didn't like last year like us giving up the UF game and us playing a Les Miles game plan against Alabama. However, last year was getting done with what you had.
A coach like Orgeron is hit or miss. I like his confidence and team building and attitude and staff. Will it work? Who knows. You never know who will have success until the wins start rolling in. Sure you can have a decent idea but even when you're throwing large chunks of cash at whoever is the hot coach, there is no guarantee it will work in your program.
Coach Orgeron is the head coach of LSU. That's a fact and no matter how many of these crying posts are done, it won't change that. I'm fine with calling for Alleva's job over it. But the hatefulness towards coach O for landing the job isn't warranted. Let the man build what he wants and let's see how it goes. Then if it goes like you believe, be angry because THEN you will have a reason. Right now you're just looking for things to be angry at because you didn't get your high power all star coach. I wasn't happy either but dang give the man a fair shot at a minimum.
A coach like Orgeron is hit or miss. I like his confidence and team building and attitude and staff. Will it work? Who knows. You never know who will have success until the wins start rolling in. Sure you can have a decent idea but even when you're throwing large chunks of cash at whoever is the hot coach, there is no guarantee it will work in your program.
Coach Orgeron is the head coach of LSU. That's a fact and no matter how many of these crying posts are done, it won't change that. I'm fine with calling for Alleva's job over it. But the hatefulness towards coach O for landing the job isn't warranted. Let the man build what he wants and let's see how it goes. Then if it goes like you believe, be angry because THEN you will have a reason. Right now you're just looking for things to be angry at because you didn't get your high power all star coach. I wasn't happy either but dang give the man a fair shot at a minimum.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 11:09 pm to SeekGreatness
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So wins/losses isn't the most important criteria. Got it.
How the team plays. Some of Les' wins were just down right embarrassing. His losses is what turned the LSU message board fans into the miserable pessimistic wrecks they are today. I'm not going to throw a brick through my TV is LSU loses a close hard fought game at Alabama if LSU plays a good game.
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If it's 9-3 or 8-4 but was "fun to watch," that's all that matters.
I would have to go with the other term I used in my post for this one - "enjoyable". Which means the team is playing well, getting better on defense. I'm not the type to go talk shite to Alabama or Florida fans all week before a game and then spaz out because the LSU team let me down. Football is a sport that has 22 players, refs, and an opposing team that also has 22 players. It's a little much to expect total perfection and I don't do it.
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Damn, that's insanity. To me
So you put words in my mouth and then tell me the shite YOU came up with is insanity. Wow !!!
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UF 2016 wasn't fun to watch
If you don't enjoy watching a football game that comes down to the very last play of the game, maybe football isn't your thing. The way LSU was gaining 423 total yards offense while holding UF to 172 yards and one 98 yard play on a defensive bust was very enjoyable to me. I was disappointed LSU didn't win but not disappointed with the way they played.
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Beating them all over the field but not capitalizing didn't matter a damn bit. It meant nothing.
Were you talking shite to the Florida fans prior to the game. You seem to be taking the loss kind of personally.
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