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re: Is Miles holding the offense back?
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:33 am to brodrig
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:33 am to brodrig
All of you forget that Miles was raised in the Big 10. All those oafs do up there is pound the ball in between the tackles and get their asses kicked by fast, spread offense SEC teams. You can take the coach out of the Big 10, but good luck taking the Big 10 out of the coach!
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Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:35 am to brodrig
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he is definitely not letting guys like RS and Jefferson loose like he should.
you mean like he did last year with Lee?
i think too many people have played madden football and believe that is how the game is played. its a little more complicated than that.
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But if that is true, and a 66 year old (me) who has never played football can see what is going to happen, then surely the opposing team can too. The saying "if you do the same thing over and over under the same circumstances, then you shouldn't expect a different result" certainly applies here. And no matter how many times all the guys with a zillion posts call you stupid, the truth is still the truth.
just saying, i don't think a single season has gone by where someone starts saying how predictable our offense is.
it probably happens all across the nation, at every level.
obviously we are all better playcallers than those that know our teams best.
This post was edited on 9/29/09 at 8:37 am
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:39 am to PinevilleTiger
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All those oafs do up there is pound the ball in between the tackles and get their asses kicked by fast, spread offense SEC teams
have you seen Bama's offense this year...
The big problem I see is we run plays out of too many formations, making them too predictable, and it seems we're somehow even tipping the call to the defense. Couple that with slow-developing trust in the QB and you have big problems.
IMO they need to either stick with I-formation/shotgun base with play-action passing most of the time, or just go spread with some Russell Shepard mixed in.
The way it is being run isn't going to open up the running game or the passing game.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:41 am to noonan
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just saying, i don't think a single season has gone by where someone starts saying how predictable our offense is.
"I knew we were going to run that play"
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:42 am to noonan
When it's predictable, we want it to be mixed up more. When it's mixed up more, we think it's too many formations, too cute, or too gimmicky.
When the offense isn't producing, either way sucks.
IF they start getting 400 yards a game and minimizing 3 and outs, no one will care how predictable or gimmicky it is.
When the offense isn't producing, either way sucks.
IF they start getting 400 yards a game and minimizing 3 and outs, no one will care how predictable or gimmicky it is.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:43 am to noonan
When a child 12 years old (my buddies son) can predict the play after seeing the team line up that tells me there is a problem.
I am not sure but I am pretty sure the DC for the teams we play are all more knowledgable than this 12 year old.
I am not sure but I am pretty sure the DC for the teams we play are all more knowledgable than this 12 year old.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:46 am to ForeLSU
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All of you forget that Miles was raised in the Big 10. All those oafs do up there is pound the ball in between the tackles and get their asses kicked by fast, spread offense SEC teams. You can take the coach out of the Big 10, but good luck taking the Big 10 out of the coach!
No duh!!! Jeez, Miles' teams O always look like that!!! 3 yards and a cloud of dust!!! LSU 05-07 all we EVAR did was run!!! OSU while he was there what BORING O!!! Man what a big 10 doofus!!!
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have you seen Bama's offense this year...
The big problem I see is we run plays out of too many formations, making them too predictable, and it seems we're somehow even tipping the call to the defense. Couple that with slow-developing trust in the QB and you have big problems.
IMO they need to either stick with I-formation/shotgun base with play-action passing most of the time, or just go spread with some Russell Shepard mixed in.
The way it is being run isn't going to open up the running game or the passing game.
And here is your real answer. Its nice to know there are still a few people out there that actually know what's going on.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:46 am to omegaman66
Here is a fact. Miles feels limited with JJ at quarterback. And he should somewhat but when there are 8 people on the line and we run the ball straight at them that is called assenine stupid.
JJ numbers are great so even if you limit the plays you can stil call the ones we do allow more frequently.
JJ numbers are great so even if you limit the plays you can stil call the ones we do allow more frequently.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:56 am to PinevilleTiger
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All of you forget that Miles was raised in the Big 10. All those oafs do up there is pound the ball in between the tackles and get their asses kicked by fast, spread offense SEC teams. You can take the coach out of the Big 10, but good luck taking the Big 10 out of the coach!
All of you folks who call out Miles and say he is holding back for no reason b/c he was from the Big Ten make no sense. He earned the nicknames such as the gambler and Lesticles b/c he went for it on 4th downs all the time and constantly used gimmick plays. It is clear as day that the O-line is underperforming and Miles/Crowton are trying to make things happen in spite of the problem. Has anyone noticed the pocket constantly collapsing prematurely and Scott/Williams all of a sudden cannot run between the tackles while 100% healthy? Be patient and let the staff work out the kinks with the O-line. Be thankful there have been only 3 turnovers and that JJ is progressing nicely.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 8:59 am to omegaman66
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When a child 12 years old (my buddies son) can predict the play after seeing the team line up that tells me there is a problem.
and there we go. dude, get that bullshite out of here.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:11 am to noonan
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and there we go. dude, get that bullshite out of here.
+1
Look, our play-calling has been pretty basic/ predictable or whatever you want to call it but...
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you mean like he did last year with lee?
We have experienced backs and receivers, but we are young or inexperienced at other positions. Is anyone taking into account that Jefferson is only 19? You have to develop young talent, and refine it into a good player. Secondly, all complaining about predictable play calling, look at our fundamentals, even on both sides of the ball. Our line isn't getting good enough holds on their blocks for our running game to be really successful, and by that I mean 4-6 yards which Scott and Williams are capable of. Until we can execute like we should, I agree we should stay in one or two formations and run a set list of plays, with a few variations until we can control the clock for at least a half of football. You want something to be worried about? Fundamentals on the defensive front, and lagging intensity, except for this past week on occasions.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:13 am to ForeLSU
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The big problem I see is we run plays out of too many formations, making them too predictable, and it seems we're somehow even tipping the call to the defense. Couple that with slow-developing trust in the QB and you have big problems.
We need to be able to run different plays from the same formation and keep them guessing. I know they won't stack the box then. With our WRs and TE, we would eat them alive if they stack the box.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:29 am to bigdubya
quote:It has nothing to do with showing our hand. It has to do with the caoches trying to bring JJ along slowly and let him build off of every game. Pretty common coaching strategy for a young QB and was to be expected after the turnover issues at the position last year.
If you lose a game to a much more inferior opponent just for the sake of not showing you game plan to your better opponents does that make sense? Hell no!!!!
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:35 am to XbengalTiger
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but we are young or inexperienced at other positions. Is anyone taking into account that Jefferson is only 19? You have to develop young talent, and refine it into a good player.
now someone is going to bring up usc and their freshman qb. completely ignoring the fact that they are not asking barkley to do much. but their running game is showing up much more than ours right now.
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It has nothing to do with showing our hand. It has to do with the caoches trying to bring JJ along slowly and let him build off of every game. Pretty common coaching strategy for a young QB and was to be expected after the turnover issues at the position last year.
exactly.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:51 am to hhall4
quote:Because no one knows the answer. We can't be inside Les Miles and Gary Crowtons brains. The question has been asked 9,000 times on here and the answer is always the same...we DON'T KNOW. Everything is just pure speculation at this point.
I can't seem to get a legitimate answer for any of these...
Les Miles press conferences are like eating peanut butter without anything to drink. Is just a bunch of sticky jumbled up messes that get stuck in your craw, you won't get any answers, so quit asking.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 9:52 am to hhall4
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Is Miles holding the offense back
they almost lost to a bottom feeder on the road. If miles is holding back he is screwing himself.
This post was edited on 9/29/09 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/29/09 at 10:01 am to ForeLSU
quote:Yes, I have seen their RB's breaking tackle after tackle to pick up big gainers. Our RB seem to go nowhere if there is not a huge hole there. Richardson for bama broke 4 tackles on his TD run against Arkansas and 2 of them were behind the LOS. We don't seem to have anyone with the speed/power combination of ALL of the bama backs.
have you seen Bama's offense this year...
Posted on 9/29/09 at 10:09 am to XbengalTiger
protecting JJ IMO. He saw the way some of so-called Tiger fans chewed JL up and spit him out last yr. Doesn't want a repeat. I can't recall one pass over the middle this yr although Im sure Im wrong but nowhere near the number as last yr which was a issue. If they keep stackin 8 in the box gonna have to the opponent pay to win in the next 3-4 games and JJ gonna have to come thru
Posted on 9/29/09 at 10:24 am to hhall4
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And if he is, is it on purpose?
I sure hope this is the issue.
Posted on 9/29/09 at 10:34 am to WM88
I am not sure if he is holding him back or if Crowton is just inept. In the time he has been here I have not seen anything that suggested he was the genius his reputation suggested. The sheer number of first round draft picks suggests we should have a much more productive offense not just this year but previous years as well.
The play calling predictable, the line play is poor. One thing I noticed is that JJ does not do a good job of hiding the hand off. It seems like the opposing teams are able to key and collapse on Scott or Williams immediately.
Whatever the case something needs to get fixed because UGA is a whole different type of Bulldog than MSU.
The play calling predictable, the line play is poor. One thing I noticed is that JJ does not do a good job of hiding the hand off. It seems like the opposing teams are able to key and collapse on Scott or Williams immediately.
Whatever the case something needs to get fixed because UGA is a whole different type of Bulldog than MSU.
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