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Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:16 pm to cwill
quote:Lee didn't have this o-line.
I can't believe everyone is focusing on that 1 game. Lee's body of work is worse than JJs and JJs is terrible.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:17 pm to OBUDan
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I never excluded it for anything.
No, but you discounted the game saving drive by Lee as improbable to have 16 plays.
quote:
But which would you rather have a 7 play drive that results in a punt or a 1 play drive that results in a TD?
Ah the good ole logical choice paradigm. Except those AREN'T the only two options.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:18 pm to cwill
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Lee started a number of games in 2008 but no one wants to reference those abortions. I can still hear the boos raining down from the stands in our last game against Arky that year and then the wild cheers when JJ entered the game and did actually play much better.
But arguing over who should start is pointless - they are both mediocre QBs who have not been developed by Les Miles. Just fire Les, get a new, competent coach and let's see if these kids can play at all.
Jefferson, in his 3rd year, is making Lee, in his 1st year, look like Joe fricking Montana.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:19 pm to Acreboy
quote:
Lee didn't have this o-line.
In the same year with the same OL JJ performed better. And when it comes to the passing game OL has less to do with sacks than the QB - OL is more important to the running game. And don't take this as a defense of JJ. Both are undeveloped and I blame Miles.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:19 pm to OBUDan
i took a dump and it spelled JJ... i found that interesting
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:20 pm to cwill
quote:ask jay Cutler
OL is more important to the running game.
what an idiot. Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:20 pm to goldengorilla
my dump said Les
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:21 pm to LSUdm21
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Jefferson, in his 3rd year, is making Lee, in his 1st year, look like Joe fricking Montana.
Why, though? It's the coach not the players. JJ sucks and Lee sucks - did you see all the bad decisions he made that he got away with? Time to get rid of the coaches that have not simply failed to develop the players but actually seem to make them worse with experience.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:21 pm to CptBengal
quote:Sure. However, keep in mind that LSU wouldn't go for it on 4th and 14 unless it's the final drive of the game.
If you are including a data set into an analysis...it is wrong to include numbers on certain portions and exclude them on others...depending on what suits your goal.
Either the long run counts..hence the 1 play drive counts. Or it doesn't.
LSU had to go for it on 4th and 14 because of game circumstances. At any other point in the game, Lee's drive ends when Lee throws an incompletion on 3rd and 9.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:22 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Not necessarily.
JJ is handicapped by having a 1 play drive.
So that's as good as having only 5 drives.
Lee gets the end drive that was 16 plays, which was more than double any other drive he lead. A few posts up I broke down the play number of each person's drives.
Well we should also consider that Lee was thrown in on 3rd and long situations on a couple of different plays. This is a disadvantage for a QB and will hurt yds per play.
Also, your statement about Lee having a 16 play drive to score helps out Lee. If you can take time off of the clock while methodically driving down the field and manage to and the series with a score, you are doing what is best for your team. I would much rather a 16 play scoring drive success than a fluke ONE play score. These are x-factors that skew the avg yards per play argument.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:22 pm to cwill
quote:Lee hasn't sucked all year what are you talking about?
and Lee sucks
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:22 pm to OBUDan
What plays were those? and if you say the 47 yd pass is "one of those plays that doesnt happen very often" you are right that long passes dont happen very often, but who are you to say they dont happen for LEE when hes only had 25 passing attempts this season compared to Jefferson's 80+ In 1/4 of the attempts Lee has 1/2 of Jefferson's passing yards. you dont spread a defense with an option that constantly goes for 2 yards when the Defense stacks the box. Why do they stack the box, because there is no threat of a passing game.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:23 pm to Acreboy
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ask jay Cutler what an idiot.
You should actually read up on a true analysis of football stats by Football Outsiders - they proved it. Also look at Brees his first year in N.O. - an atrocious OL but he made them better with snap decisions. Cutler sucks and gets sacked because he's a rock head.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:23 pm to just me
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How do you think LSU got to the Tennessee 13 to kick a field goal? Ridley drove LSU from LSU's 41 so that LSU could kick that field goal. LSU loses without those three points.
FIFY
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:24 pm to CptBengal
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No, but you discounted the game saving drive by Lee as improbable to have 16 plays.
Yes, both are equally improbable. But in the case of what was being argued 16 plays makes 1 plays look embarrassing when it wasn't.
It's like you care nothing for context.
quote:
Ah the good ole logical choice paradigm. Except those AREN'T the only two options.
Now you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:24 pm to cwill
quote:and JL has a WAY faster release than JJ does. so by that logic JL should be starting.
N.O. - an atrocious OL but he made them better with snap decisions.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:24 pm to just me
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Sure. However, keep in mind that LSU wouldn't go for it on 4th and 14 unless it's the final drive of the game.
LSU had to go for it on 4th and 14 because of game circumstances. At any other point in the game, Lee's drive ends when Lee throws an incompletion on 3rd and 9.
how many plays was Lee in the game AFTER that pass justMe.
I'll subtract them from 16, and JL still has a better more professional drive; that killed the clock and put is in position to score.
2nd. You DO get 4 downs in football. Why don't we play the what if game instead of this. I mean you like facts so much, but then drop this spin....
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:25 pm to TheDoc
quote:No, he drove the team into scoring position.
He kicked a fg too?
quote:Scoreboards don't care how you get a touchdown. It's six points whether you run for it or throw for it. Or even whether you hand it off to someone else to run for it.
How many td's did he throw?
Oh... What's that?
He hasn't thrown a td since sept 4th?
Hmmmm
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:26 pm to Acreboy
quote:He had a very good o-line in 2008.
Lee didn't have this o-line.
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