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re: Jefferson vs. Lee Inside the Numbers *Updated*
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:26 pm to Acreboy
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:26 pm to Acreboy
quote:
Lee hasn't sucked all year what are you talking about?
He's only had 25 attempts and 1 INT. I'm referencing his career - the only numbers over time. Not 1 game where he was intercepted and made several terrible decisions. Like I said I'm not advocating for either QB - I just think the attention should be on the terrible head coach.
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Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:26 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:
Also, your statement about Lee having a 16 play drive to score helps out Lee. If you can take time off of the clock while methodically driving down the field and manage to and the series with a score, you are doing what is best for your team. I would much rather a 16 play scoring drive success than a fluke ONE play score. These are x-factors that skew the avg yards per play argument.
I'm just saying you will almost never see a 16 play drive. Most of the reason it was 16 plays is that we had to go for it two 4th downs. You have to go for it on two fourth because you aren't efficient enough to pick it up in 3 downs.
There's two ways to look at it.
Lee got us down the field and deserves all the credit for his balls on that 4th down drive.
But it doesn't make JJ's contributions worthless.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:27 pm to OBUDan
quote:
Anyone can manipulate numbers.
Dude... That's exactly what youre doing
[/quote] JJ was on the field for 2 TDs. Lee was on the field for 0.[/quote]
Jj wouldn't have gotten us in a position to score... Lee did. When lee drives all the way down to scoring distance and they put Jj in for 2 plays, one of which was a handoff, does not mean Jj caused that touchdown in any way
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:27 pm to just me
quote:
First, Jefferson can throw. He has had three horrible games.
He has had 4 horrible games
That's 4/5
If he could throw, sooner or later the numbers would average out. He's regressed.
quote:
Second, if defenses are stacking the box, it is not working against Jefferson. Moreover, it apparently hasn't seemed to work all season because LSU is ranked 33rd in rushing against all BCS opponents.
So the credit goes to Ridley and the offensive line. JJ doesn't get credit for Ridley's success. That's stupid.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:27 pm to just me
quote:chyea right
He had a very good o-line in 2008.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:27 pm to LSUdm21
quote:Uhhh . . . Lee is in his Fourth year.
Jefferson, in his 3rd year, is making Lee, in his 1st year, look like Joe fricking Montana.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:27 pm to Acreboy
quote:
and JL has a WAY faster release than JJ does. so by that logic JL should be starting.
It's not release speed idiot - it's decision making speed - they both are terrible decision makers.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:28 pm to just me
Stop crediting Jefferson with ridleys numbers, this is getting a little silly. A simple handoff can be done by Keke. More importantly, JJ's play action is uneffective while JL's actually made the secondary bite...
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:29 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:Except that we didn't have time to take off the clock.
If you can take time off of the clock while methodically driving down the field and manage to and the series with a score, you are doing what is best for your team.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:29 pm to SofaKingTrill
quote:
What plays were those? and if you say the 47 yd pass is "one of those plays that doesnt happen very often" you are right that long passes dont happen very often, but who are you to say they dont happen for LEE when hes only had 25 passing attempts this season compared to Jefferson's 80+ In 1/4 of the attempts Lee has 1/2 of Jefferson's passing yards. you dont spread a defense with an option that constantly goes for 2 yards when the Defense stacks the box. Why do they stack the box, because there is no threat of a passing game.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I just honestly don't know what you are referencing. There's like 20 people coming at me with questions, hard to keep up with them all.
If JJ isn't spreading the defense with the option, then something else appears to be, because we've run the ball extremely well with him at the helm.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:29 pm to just me
quote:
Uhhh . . . Lee is in his Fourth year.
I think he was referencing Lee's first year (2008) v. JJs 2010.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:29 pm to just me
quote:
Uhhh . . . Lee is in his Fourth year.
Uhhhh . . . it was a response to someone comparing JJ to '08 Lee dumb arse. BTW, Lee looks better than JJ so what's your point.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:30 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:
Stop crediting Jefferson with ridleys numbers, this is getting a little silly. A simple handoff can be done by Keke. More importantly, JJ's play action is uneffective while JL's actually made the secondary bite...
NOt really.
Actually, one of the big argument last year that JJ took blame for was that he couldn't operate the run game as well as Flynn (despite the fact that his rate passing stats exceeded Flynn's).
I think that's a fair assessment, when coupled with our porous OL.
There's more to operating a run game than simply handing the ball off.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:31 pm to just me
quote:
Except that we didn't have time to take off the clock.
Uhhhh wrong. the drive started with 5:Something
on the clock.
That's alot of time.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:31 pm to OBUDan
quote:A 16 play drive is not exactly a good thing. the reason they are so rare is because that means an offense lacked the ability to make a big play and had to slowly move down the field in small chunks. honestly, that's not a good way to build an offense. Big plays are good things, and most scoring drives involve either A) good field position or B) a play of over 20 yards. Usually both.
But in the case of what was being argued 16 plays makes 1 plays look embarrassing when it wasn't.
a 64-yard, 16-play TD drive is better than the alternative, but it's not as great as a data point as some are making it out to be. That's an average of 4 yards per play, which is pretty low, particularly for a scoring drive.
And, full disclosure, I think Lee should absolutely, positively start and get at least 75% of the snaps, and I wouldn't be opposed to 100%. But I really dislike dishonest arguments.
The more plays in a drive, the better, is an absurd claim.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:31 pm to TheDoc
quote:
Good juke, but cmon
How many points was lsu favored in this game?
17?
Oh, I know that... First of all, I'd like what some of these betting people and odds makers are smoking because I was sure we weren't coming close to beating them by that much.
And I know our passing game sucks and we have too many penalties, but it was still a nice move and good run. He runs funny though...but covers a lot of ground with those long legs.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:32 pm to OBUDan
quote:
There's more to operating a run game than simply handing the ball off.
Since you're such the football expert perhaps you can explain to us exactly what Jefferson does that makes him so masterful at orchestrating our running attack.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:32 pm to RBWilliams8
quote:
RBWilliams8
Okay, I'll answer this for the 5th time since people obviously don't understand the context.
A guy posted saying "JJ was on the field for 3 turnovers... Lee for 1."
I said anyone can manipulate the numbers because JJ was not responsible for Peterson's fumble.
Just as he was not really responsible for the game winning TD. But if you go by "who was on the field..." it was JJ.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:32 pm to CptBengal
quote:LSU wasn't trying to kill the clock. LSU was behind by four points.
JL still has a better more professional drive; that killed the clock and put is in position to score.
And getting a delay of game penalty on 4th down which backed LSU up and caused LSU to waste a very valuable timeout was not "professional."
Posted on 10/6/10 at 4:33 pm to Powerman
quote:
Since you're such the football expert perhaps you can explain to us exactly what Jefferson does that makes him so masterful at orchestrating our running attack.
Audibles out of bad plays.
He's audibled Ridley into big runs at least 5 times this year.
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