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re: Jordan Jefferson
Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:45 am to LSUtigerfreak1
Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:45 am to LSUtigerfreak1
quote:It's not a stretch to say that JJ "will get on the field early" against 3 cupcakes, the likes of which will probably be down by 20-30 points in the 3rd quarter.
This is Pat Fordes opinion
3. Jordan Jefferson will get on the field for LSU -- early.
All of the QB's will get a chance to play early. JJ will not start, but I suspect he may make a run for the position later in the year.
The latest practice report has Hatch playing and throwing well despite what the naysayers on the board are jabbering about. He won't light it up, but then he won't need to, just keep us competitive and in the game, with as few mistakes as possible. If JJ can come in and provide a big play or stretch the field with his arm several times per game, we may be looking at 10-11 wins.
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Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:50 am to LSUtigerfreak1
This has been rehashed every day since the first day of practice. Jordan is a great talent. He's got an excellent frame, an absolute cannon for an arm, and decent enough mobility. However, starting a freshman quarterback in the SEC is the equivalent of throwing up a white towel, and in my humble opinion, it's probably the absolute worst thing that could happen for Jordan. Let him get some mop-up time. I don't think the majority of the people posting on JJ are aware of just how raw (cliche I know) he is. He's got pretty bad mechanics in both his drop and his throwing motion. The last thing you want to do is throw a young kid into the fire early and completely destroy any chance of him slowly building confidence that he can play at the speed of the college game.
Also, more importantly, our fanbase's expectations have grown to the point where they're not ready to deal with the growing pains of the 2 or 3 losses that will surely ensue from mistakes that result from having a true frosh behind center in important games.
Also, more importantly, our fanbase's expectations have grown to the point where they're not ready to deal with the growing pains of the 2 or 3 losses that will surely ensue from mistakes that result from having a true frosh behind center in important games.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:02 am to Stagg8
i sincerely hope that hatch or lee do turn out to be efficient qb's, and i'm definitely pulling for both to do well....i wonder though, why hatch got no real pt last year? les knew that rp's tenure on the team would always be shaky.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:28 am to Skillet
When did Hatch injury his shoulder? That could be the reason why he didn't play past Middle Tenn St.
As for Jefferson, I hope he is given time to adjust and mature over the few months.
As for Jefferson, I hope he is given time to adjust and mature over the few months.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:59 am to Stagg8
quote:
starting a freshman quarterback in the SEC is the equivalent of throwing up a white towel
We have two freshmen and a sophomore. One of the freshman has the best talent. Were kinda damned if we do, damned if we dont.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:00 pm to wilder
quote:
We have two freshmen and a sophomore.
No... we have one RS Soph, one RS Frosh, and one true frosh.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:02 pm to Stagg8
quote:
No... we have one RS Soph, one RS Frosh, and one true frosh.
Thats what I said.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:02 pm to wilder
quote:
Thats what I said.
Yeah... no.
There's a big difference between a redshirt and true freshman. True freshman = Jimmy Clausen. Redshirt freshman = Sam Bradford.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:05 pm to Stagg8
quote:
Also, more importantly, our fanbase's expectations have grown to the point where they're not ready to deal with the growing pains of the 2 or 3 losses that will surely ensue from mistakes that result from having a true frosh behind center in important games
we lost twice last year; and it worked out pretty nice for us. if we only loose twice this year with inexperience under center, thats not a bad year.
and i know we havent seen any of the three qb's in significant game time yet but he might be right when he says lee and hatch "are not the answer." and the only reason i agree is because neither one of them has stepped up as the clear cut starter and a true freshman is on the same level as them.
plus; next year russell shepard comes in. who here doesnt want him to be the immediate starter next year? have you read this guys scouting report: he is percy harvin lined up at qb except more electric. and more developed as a passer at this point than terrell pryor was.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
we lost twice last year; and it worked out pretty nice for us. if we only loose twice this year with inexperience under center, thats not a bad year.
Nah, see you misunderstood... I meant 2 or 3 losses a year solely because of mistakes made by a true frosh at QB at inopportune times. I think we would more than likely be looking at a 4 or 5 loss season.
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and the only reason i agree is because neither one of them has stepped up as the clear cut starter and a true freshman is on the same level as them.
Who has said he's on the same level as Lee and Hatch? All the coaches have said is that he's performed well and he will see some PT this year.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:09 pm to Stagg8
JJ will see significant playing time but is not ready to start.
Don't take my word for it. Just look at any recent interview with LM when asked about JJ. Hope that clears it up.
Don't take my word for it. Just look at any recent interview with LM when asked about JJ. Hope that clears it up.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:15 pm to Stagg8
Well, which ever guy we throw out there is gonna be playing his first significant minutes in college football starting this year.
So, one's 20, one's 19, and one's 18. Age won't determine the level of play at the QB position. The only thing that will change the level of play (all other things being equal, which they aren't) is knowledge of the system and playbook.
JJ is behind in that regard just because he just got on campus.
The real question is this:
Which QB's talent + knowledge of the playbook is higher?
It seems that they rank in this order:
Talent:
1. JJ
2. Lee
3. Hatch
Knowledge of Playbook:
1a. Hatch
1b. Lee
3. JJ (and no, not because he's black. Because he hasn't been on campus as long)
Being a freshman isn't necessarily what is holding JJ back. It's the fact that he is behind the other two guys in knowledge of the system and playbook. Once he catches up, he should pass both guys (not a given).
I look for Lee to beat out Hatch as the starter and for JJ to get some reps here and there. Probably for the whole season.
So, one's 20, one's 19, and one's 18. Age won't determine the level of play at the QB position. The only thing that will change the level of play (all other things being equal, which they aren't) is knowledge of the system and playbook.
JJ is behind in that regard just because he just got on campus.
The real question is this:
Which QB's talent + knowledge of the playbook is higher?
It seems that they rank in this order:
Talent:
1. JJ
2. Lee
3. Hatch
Knowledge of Playbook:
1a. Hatch
1b. Lee
3. JJ (and no, not because he's black. Because he hasn't been on campus as long)
Being a freshman isn't necessarily what is holding JJ back. It's the fact that he is behind the other two guys in knowledge of the system and playbook. Once he catches up, he should pass both guys (not a given).
I look for Lee to beat out Hatch as the starter and for JJ to get some reps here and there. Probably for the whole season.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:17 pm to LSUtigerfreak1
why is everyone so down on Lee?
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:18 pm to Stagg8
quote:
Nah, see you misunderstood... I meant 2 or 3 losses a year solely because of mistakes made by a true frosh at QB at inopportune times. I think we would more than likely be looking at a 4 or 5 loss season.
ahh i got you. but to me it's the same for all three of them. none of them have significant game time experience. zero big game experience.
quote:
Who has said he's on the same level as Lee and Hatch? All the coaches have said is that he's performed well and he will see some PT this year.
thats was my point. if a true freshman comes in and is competing (already guaranteed significant playing time) with a redhirt frosh and redshirt soph then neither lee or hatch has seperated themselves from jj. thats why i said on the same level. and it may not be the exact level but it is very close.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:20 pm to hashtag
I'll put money that Hatch "starts" but alternates with Lee for the first 3 games and add a sprinkling of JJ. By AU, either Hatch or Lee will establish himself as the primary guy and the other one will be a role player (Hatch for runs or spread option style, Lee for longer passing downs). Barring injury, I can't imagine JJ starting this year.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:28 pm to Cussian
quote:
Barring injury, I can't imagine JJ starting this year.
i can. he's already on par with the other two. with time he will only get better.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:32 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:
i can. he's already on par with the other two. with time he will only get better.
I can imagine squirrels shooting out of Lindsey Lohan's arse but I don't expect to see it on Entertainment Tonight anytime soon.
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:37 pm to Cussian
quote:
I can imagine squirrels shooting out of Lindsey Lohan's arse but I don't expect to see it on Entertainment Tonight anytime soon.
that was funny. but really, you think it is that much of a long shot?
if the coaches say that he is going to get significant playing time (not mop-up) what makes you think he couldnt prove himself enough to be the starter?
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:37 pm to Cussian
Havard Hatch "The Cereberal Assassin!"
Posted on 8/12/08 at 12:41 pm to Lsuhoohoo
quote:
I know Pat Forde had been in China for the olympics, but i didnt know he had gone to Germany.
Now we need to come up w/ a term for people who make these "German" posts. Damn, this is 10 times more annoying than somebody merely starting a duplicate thread.
Cut that shyte out!
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