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re: Laser, optical, electronic strike zone
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:41 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:41 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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Undergrad, masters, and law.
You're pretty good at flaming.
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:46 pm to TigerBait1127
here's another off the map analogy, but work with me...
In basketball....every guard in the league carries the ball when they bring it up the court....should we stop the game and analyze with computer whether his wrist broke over and truly carried? Should we computerize how many steps were taken in the lane when Lebron drives to the basket?
In football....should we computerize all holding calls, illegal hands by db's and wr's, etc.?
These things work me up just as much as anyone else on here on both sides of the argument, but I just think there is a threshold of how much technology belongs in sports. If we allow this then what's next?
In basketball....every guard in the league carries the ball when they bring it up the court....should we stop the game and analyze with computer whether his wrist broke over and truly carried? Should we computerize how many steps were taken in the lane when Lebron drives to the basket?
In football....should we computerize all holding calls, illegal hands by db's and wr's, etc.?
These things work me up just as much as anyone else on here on both sides of the argument, but I just think there is a threshold of how much technology belongs in sports. If we allow this then what's next?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:46 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:So you don't think there is any judgment involved in a batter deciding whether or not a 90 mph fastball is going to just miss the corner or just hit the corner? That's some of the "human element" of judgment and skill that excites me about baseball and that I go to watch. And just because it's in the strike zone doesn't automatically mean it will be hit; a batter trying to catch a sinking pitch that's dropping just into the top of the strike zone does not have an easy time connecting; can he get the bat on the ball or not? And the pitcher trying to just barely paint that corner; will he brush it or will he just miss it? That's what could make baseball a great sport; not, "will the umpire decide to give him this strike whether it hits the corner or not, or will he give the batter a ball whether it hits the corner or not?" That's annoying, pointless and boring as hell to someone who isn't watching the game to see the guys in blue.
but if theres no grey area to work with then batters will either wait to walk...or sit there and tee off all day.
Let me put it to you this way: if we were able to train human umpires to where they always made every strike or ball call exactly correct according to the rulebook, would that hurt the game in your opinion?
If we had truly perfect strike zones, there would be plenty of tension, emotion, suspense and excitement in baseball. The only difference is, it would ALL be about the players and the coaches.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:50 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:If it interrupted the flow of the game, then we would have to weigh the gains versus the negatives of the interruptions. But getting the calls correct would absolutely 100% positively be a plus for the sport.
should we stop the game and analyze with computer whether his wrist broke over and truly carried?
quote:If we could, accurately, without disrupting the game, then absolutely. Do you have a problem with games being played by the rules?
Should we computerize how many steps were taken in the lane when Lebron drives to the basket?
quote:A sport where the outcomes are decided absolutely fairly according to the efforts and abilities of the teams competing?
If we allow this then what's next?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:52 pm to King Joey
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So you don't think there is any judgment involved in a batter deciding whether or not a 90 mph fastball is going to just miss the corner or just hit the corner? That's some of the "human element" of judgment and skill that excites me about baseball and that I go to watch. And just because it's in the strike zone doesn't automatically mean it will be hit; a batter trying to catch a sinking pitch that's dropping just into the top of the strike zone does not have an easy time connecting; can he get the bat on the ball or not? And the pitcher trying to just barely paint that corner; will he brush it or will he just miss it? That's what could make baseball a great sport; not, "will the umpire decide to give him this strike whether it hits the corner or not, or will he give the batter a ball whether it hits the corner or not?" That's annoying, pointless and boring as hell to someone who isn't watching the game to see the guys in blue.
Let me put it to you this way: if we were able to train human umpires to where they always made every strike or ball call exactly correct according to the rulebook, would that hurt the game in your opinion?
If we had truly perfect strike zones, there would be plenty of tension, emotion, suspense and excitement in baseball. The only difference is, it would ALL be about the players and the coaches.
This is a very good post, and I agree with most of what you say. I just don't like computers taking over the tradition of the umpire. I think it helps the game in the aspect of efficiency and fairnesss, but i honestly think it takes away from some strategy of the game.
I know we don't watch to go see umps, but i still think they are just part of baseball and would hate to see the day that a computer takes the place of a person in that respect.
Let's just expand the strike zone to encompass what is now considered borderline. That way hitters will get the bat off their shoulder and use their skills to hit it opposite field, etc.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:53 pm to StatMaster
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From my experience as both a pitcher and as a fan of baseball at all levels, a strike is a strike no matter the height of the batter.
Frankly sir, you are an idiot.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:55 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:But then the umps will still be using "discretion" on what was borderline. Frankly, I don't care how they define the strike zone as long as it is always called correctly.
Let's just expand the strike zone to encompass what is now considered borderline.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:55 pm to Rex
yes, we should have it. i have always thought this. people say that shorter and taller players have different strike zones but that is horse shite. the ump could care less if the batter is 5 ft or 7 ft.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:56 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
quote:I haven't decided yet whether you are a brainless idiot or gigantic genius pretending to be a brainless idiot.
Let's just expand the strike zone to encompass what is now considered borderline. That way hitters will get the bat off their shoulder and use their skills to hit it opposite field, etc.
However, I'm leaning toward the former.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 6:59 pm to just me
hahaha.
we can all disagree, but i just started posting today and you guys do make me laugh. Another good quality about LSU fans...we can bitch and make fun all day....but all it takes is a beer and we can get along.
we can all disagree, but i just started posting today and you guys do make me laugh. Another good quality about LSU fans...we can bitch and make fun all day....but all it takes is a beer and we can get along.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 7:32 pm to ShowMeTheMoney7
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Let's just expand the strike zone to encompass what is now considered borderline
Okay. Now, you just pissed me off. Damn it.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 7:50 pm to rtgr
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I could see it too. Too bad a "floating, dynamic" strike zone does not exist by the rules of baseball. I would settle for the enforcement of the rules in leu of a mechanical ump. Now, hows that for fair, sonnyboy.
Could you be anymore assbackwards in your comment to me? I think not. I don't give a damn about apologies.. but read the whole thread.
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I would settle for the enforcement of the rules in leu of a mechanical ump.
You are priceless, perhaps worthless.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 7:54 pm to otowntiger
the human element is nice. but atleast the strikes and balls would be called accurately both ways. heh.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:00 pm to Springlake Tiger
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people say that shorter and taller players have different strike zones but that is horse shite. the ump could care less if the batter is 5 ft or 7 ft.
Just stop...
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:04 pm to LA007
If all this uniformity is so important, then why not have ballparks the exact same dimensions in the outfield? Why is it fair that in some parks, a long drive to a 400 foot center field is an out, but in another park it's a homerun?
No one bitches about that.
An electronic eye calling balls and strikes in some attempt at "uniformity"?
Nope.
Major Fail.
No one bitches about that.
An electronic eye calling balls and strikes in some attempt at "uniformity"?
Nope.
Major Fail.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:09 pm to timlan2057
If all this uniformity is so important, then why not have ballparks the exact same dimensions in the outfield? Why is it fair that in some parks, a long drive to a 400 foot center field is an out, but in another park it's a homerun?
Dude, I cut you slack 'cause you're jumping in. But, you're throwing at the wrong target.
quote:
No one bitches about that.
An electronic eye calling balls and strikes in some attempt at "uniformity"?
Nope.
Major Fail.
Dude, I cut you slack 'cause you're jumping in. But, you're throwing at the wrong target.
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:11 pm to timlan2057
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If all this uniformity is so important, then why not have ballparks the exact same dimensions in the outfield? Why is it fair that in some parks, a long drive to a 400 foot center field is an out, but in another park it's a homerun?
No one bitches about that.
An electronic eye calling balls and strikes in some attempt at "uniformity"?
Nope.
Major Fail.
your post is a major fail
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:15 pm to timlan2057
quote:You want consistency?
If all this uniformity is so important, then why not have ballparks the exact same dimensions in the outfield? Why is it fair that in some parks, a long drive to a 400 foot center field is an out, but in another park it's a homerun?
No one bitches about that.
An electronic eye calling balls and strikes in some attempt at "uniformity"?
Nope.
Major Fail.
How about three posts in a row telling you that you just struck out?
Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:23 pm to Rex
Regular boxing > Olympic boxing
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Posted on 6/25/09 at 8:29 pm to timlan2057
Honestly, I've never really understood the different size ballparks, especially in a sport so obsessed by stats. It has always irritated me, but I just chalk it up to one of the personality quirks of baseball.
However, your argument is a :major fail: because there is no inconsistency in the game - both teams play in the same ballpark.
Umps can change strike zones between the sides, even between batters and at-bats.
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