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re: Les vs CEO
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:52 am to Goldrush25
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:52 am to Goldrush25
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Don't know where we're going with this but ok.
he didn't have a good record in his early years. Also went 2-20 first 2 years at UNC
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Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:53 am to Spankem
Were O pumpers dropped on their heads as children? I don’t see the same team on the field these people do
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:57 am to Topwater Trout
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he didn't have a good record in his early years. Also went 2-20 first 2 years at UNC
And he turned it around his third year, you left that out. He didn't get worse.
By year three the team is mostly your players. There's no reason that they should've have won 5 or 6 games his last year at OM.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:01 pm to Walnut
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Were O pumpers dropped on their heads as children? I don’t see the same team on the field these people do
I am not an O pumper but...you do see the youth and lack of depth on the lines right? You have seen improvement since the beginning of the year?
Not sure what kind of knowledge you have with football but generally it takes time to develop young talent and when you combine that with adding a new OC and replacing NFL talent on the defensive side it can take time for a team to come together.
What part of the team hasn't improved since labor day?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:03 pm to Goldrush25
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And he turned it around his third year
he still went 1-10 3x in his first 5 years in D1
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:08 pm to Topwater Trout
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without a doubt...i just don't think we should say he won't take us to a championship based on ole miss
Okay let's look at the reasons why anyone would think he could lead LSU to championships?
Based on????
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:08 pm to Goldrush25
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There's no reason that they should've have won 5 or 6 games his last year at OM.
just looked at their schedule that year. LSU and Florida were 1 & 3 and the losses were respectable. Were only blown out twice. Scores don't indicate they were terrible.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:23 pm to Topwater Trout
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just looked at their schedule that year. LSU and Florida were 1 & 3 and the losses were respectable. Were only blown out twice. Scores don't indicate they were terrible
I didn't say they were terrible. I said under him, they underperformed. They shouldn't have only won 3 games.
That's a really tough sell to say that they were fundamentally a 3 win team, that 3 wins was the best an average coach could get out of them, and that the next coach could go and win 9 with mostly the same group.
This post was edited on 10/17/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:25 pm to prplngldtigr
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What was that guys track record prior to LSU ?
Michigan State
1995: 6–5–1
1996: 6–6
1997: 7–5
1998: 6-6
1999: 9-2
You history revisionists are retarded. Saban was pretty much an unknown quantity in 2000 record-wise.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:26 pm to Havoc
Uh huh ...and Edward Orgeron's?
I wanna understand all the parallels you see.
I wanna understand all the parallels you see.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:27 pm to prplngldtigr
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He's comparing Edward Orgeron to Saban ...hahahahah
I'm stating that in 2000 the coach we had bad losses that year and not a great resume, in response to a question about keeping the faith this season.
Are you fricking stupid?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:29 pm to Havoc
I'm sure it's MY lack of intelligence that is not allowing me to see what you see ...that's gotta be it .
Again , what is it about Edward Orgeron's resume that gives you "faith"?
Again , what is it about Edward Orgeron's resume that gives you "faith"?
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:31 pm to Goldrush25
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Yeah, keep comparing Orgeron to arguably the best CFB of all time. That'll help your cause.
You're speaking of 2017 Saban. 2000 Saban was a much different story.
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We didn't need "faith" in Saban. We just needed to afford him time to do what he'd proven to do everywhere he'd been previously. That's not faith, because we've seen it. That's where the entire comparison falls apart.
Revisionist history. 6–5–1, 6–6, 7–5, 6-6, 9-2, against non-SEC teams.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:32 pm to Havoc
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I'm stating that in 2000 the coach we had bad losses that year and not a great resume, in response to a question about keeping the faith this season.
LSU finished 3-8 the year before and ended up winning 8 games the year they lost to UAB.
That's right in line with everything Saban's done in his career. He's instantly improved every team he's coached.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:33 pm to Havoc
Michigan State was 0-11 the season prior to Saban's arrival.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:34 pm to Spankem
Give O credit for the last few weeks. But that loss to Troy was not something we can just forget about. Having a team that plays up and down to opponants and is inconsistant is worse than what Miles brought to the table. It is not fair to say that is what O will be for us long term on such a short sample, but we will have to watch and see.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:34 pm to prplngldtigr
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Michigan State was 0-11 the season prior to Saban's arrival.
Actually 5-6, they forfeited those games due to NCAA sanctions, but the point still stands, they were improved when Saban got there.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:39 pm to Goldrush25
Ah okay ...but yes the point remains.
There are no valid parallels between Edward Orgeron and Nick Saban, Pete Carroll , Bill Belichick or any of the myriad of hall of famers these people seem to envision.
There are no valid parallels between Edward Orgeron and Nick Saban, Pete Carroll , Bill Belichick or any of the myriad of hall of famers these people seem to envision.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:40 pm to Spankem
IMO. We don’t have not indentified ourselves yet. We are an enigma. I am reserving my judgment on a full season, W/L, did we improve, recruiting. It’s the price you pay for change.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 12:41 pm to Goldrush25
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I said under him, they underperformed.
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the next coach could go and win 9 with mostly the same group.
Nutt goes 9-4 back to back then wins 5-6 games the next 2 years....shows me CEO got talent on campus. Who knows if he was given another year maybe he goes 9-4 or better. That is something know one knows. Obviously he did lay the foundation for back to back 9-4 seasons though
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