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re: LSU Alumni, dead last in SEC contributions to the school SIAP
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:15 pm to MoreOrLes
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:15 pm to MoreOrLes
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Not the dollar amount.
The willingness to donate is what I'm talking about.
Why do you think its lacking?
I think its obvious, the football program is a product people are tired of.
It's a culture, dude. I saw it firsthand when I went to LSU Law.
I'll use the law school as an example.
It's not exactly "easy" to get into LSU Law. It's harder to get into LSU than it is into Southern and Loyola. But, employers don't care. Hell, even your own Career Services Office doesn't care. They consider the universities damn near the same when looking for jobs.
That's how little faith they put into the training they give you. Sure, you will pass the Bar at a higher rate than the other schools, but a person in the bottom half at LSU Law will have a tougher time getting a job than a person who graduated in the top 20% at Southern, even though Southern's admissions requirements and course curriculum are not even comparable to LSU's.
Michigan, on the other hand, is TOTALLY different. Their mindset is that they will put their graduates up against any other schools in the country. They believe Michigan is an INSTITUTION. It's more than a degree. It's a network. You're a "Michigan" man.
The graduates believe in the culture and want it to live on. THAT'S why they give back.
At LSU, you graduate. See ya. Thanks for the money. I don't remember your name but good luck and shite.
Totally different cultures. And that doesn't apply to just LSU. It applies to a lot of other public universities.
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Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:16 pm to MoreOrLes
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The willingness to donate is what I'm talking about.
It was never there. Even when your Lord and Savior Saban was here.
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Why do you think its lacking?
I'm know the answer, but I'm not telling. You are far too stupid to comprehend it.
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I think its obvious, the football program is a product people are tired of.
Yup. Confirmed.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:17 pm to MoreOrLes
I don't understand why I would just give money to a public institution. What am I missing here?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:18 pm to LeonPhelps
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I don't understand why I would just give money to a public institution. What am I missing here?
My point proven.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:18 pm to MoreOrLes
I want to challenge you to really do some research before continuing to post assumption after assumption. You have obviously shown that you are pseudo-informed when it comes to campus news and the strategic initiatives the current administration has done to address our endowment. Keep up to date. I appreciate your spirit but damn you just channel it in the oh so wrong ways
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:23 pm to MoreOrLes
Can someone answer a question for me? Are donations to the athletic program via TAF and such available to the school itself? Or does athletics control that amount?
If so, I'd argue that one of the problems is that alumni are giving too much to athletics in place of giving it to the school itself.
If so, I'd argue that one of the problems is that alumni are giving too much to athletics in place of giving it to the school itself.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:25 pm to SabiDojo
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At LSU, you graduate. See ya. Thanks for the money. I don't remember your name but good luck and shite.
I think that sums it up very well, actually. I don't think LSU gives two shits about me or what happened to me after I left. I have had zero interaction with the school since graduating despite me being at the top of my class and receiving some acclaim in my profession since graduating. LSU does not care about me at all, just my money.
That probably influences why I don't feel any real attachment to it despite getting two degrees from there. In reality, I was attached to my professors, but they have all moved on to other schools with one or two exceptions.
So the idea of forking over cash to LSU for nothing 10 years after graduating makes zero sense. What do they even need my cash for? A new building? Higher salaries? It would be like me dropping by LA DOTD and dropping off a check because I like what they are doing or I want them to do more. I already give a lot via taxes anyway.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:31 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
That's only because just about every dime given to Bama by its alum goes straight to football and only football. They suck at all other sports.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:33 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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EZE Tiger Fan
Well I'm not going to be an internet tough guy and address your name calling.
However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the recent events involving Coach Les Miles will not inspire anyone to donate moving forward.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:34 pm to TKLSUMD
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/15 at 4:55 pm to MoreOrLes My son is a freshman at LSU right now. They got rid of reduced tuition for out of state alumni's children a few years ago. I just sent my check for 16K for 1 semester yesterday for his fee bill. I think I'm giving enough to the school.
That's fricked up.
I paid out the arse too.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:34 pm to GeorgeReymond
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GeorgeReymond
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research
Perception is reality.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:35 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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You mofos here that blast Les, the program, and the players here.....Are you contributing? Chances are good the answer is a resounding "no".
Want to be at Bama's level? It costs way more money than the vast majority of the whiny LSU fan base is willing to fork over.
You are bombastic. And not very accurate, either. Did you actually read the linked article? It is describing the LSU Foundation academic endowment. The author concedes that, by contrast, athletic donations have been "robust." I'm not certain why you are conflating the two.
And just to demonstrate how disengenuous your post is, here is a direct quote from LSU.edu delineating the difference between LSU Foundation academic gifts and TAF Athletic gifts:
"There are numerous ways to give a charitable gift to LSU. There are three foundations that manage gifts and private donations on behalf of the university. The LSU Foundation, LSU Alumni Association, and the LSU Tiger Athletic Foundation. Each manages different types of gifts and there are many opportunities that allow donors to designate gifts for a specific purpose. Below is a list of the foundations and the types of gifts they manage.
LSU Foundation manages gifts directed toward academic units, colleges and specific academic related programs such as scholarships, professorships, naming opportunities, etc.
The Alumni Association manages the “Top 100” Scholarships as well as raising funds for various student programs, and a host of alumni activities.
The Tiger Athletic Foundation raises support for student athletes and the LSU Athletic Department. They also manage the Foundation of Champions Scholarship Program endowment for student athletes."
Before you condemn others as fools and proclaim yourself a genius, you may want to establish a basic grasp of the subject matter at hand.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 5:42 pm
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:47 pm to MoreOrLes
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Coach Les Miles will not inspire anyone to donate moving forward.
No more checks from me until coaching changes are made.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:51 pm to DmitriKaramazov
The same people who complain about Miles/LSU Admin are usually neither alumni nor donors. It's just like people who vote down sales tax/property tax increases and then complain about how their education system is in the dumps or the town doesn't have enough amenities. You have pay to play.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:56 pm to MoreOrLes
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Im sure if LSU followed the same example that bama has set and it yielded similar results donations by alums would be greater. Its seems the LSU admin are too short sighted to see that.
Or maybe if the alums gave more,there would be more money available. Do you actually believe that alum contributions at Alabama took off only after Saban's hire?
By the way, are you kicking up your alum contributions?
You ARE an alumnus aren't you?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:58 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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Want to be at Bama's level? It costs way more money than the vast majority of the whiny LSU fan base is willing to fork over.
I think you are misunderstanding. we are last in contributions to the university. you know, the college with a football team.
there is no problem with contributions to the football program. we are loaded. but the "Louisiana mentality" when it comes to education prevails. it makes me sick.
i'm extremely proud of my degree from LSU. it opened doors for me and I earned a lot of money because of it. I still contribute but I've been retired for 10 years and have had to scale back.
I have never contributed to football and never will. I understand when I buy a ticket i'm contribution but that's it.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 5:58 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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If so, I'd argue that one of the problems is that alumni are giving too much to athletics in place of giving it to the school itself.
I agree, and this is where although I disagree with King's position on the Les buyout, I do have sympathy with those who say we under stress academics.
If I ask whether you'd rather have the best public University academically among all the schools of the SEC OR have Jimbo Fisher as the head football coach, and you say Jimbo, you need to be smacked. Of course no one will say they'd rather have Jimbo, but in people's heart of hearts I bet there would be a lot of votes for Jimbo over the school. The donor rates to TAF versus the LSU Foundation reflect that. And that's part of the reason why we have a mediocre University.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 6:03 pm to LSU GrandDad
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I think you are misunderstanding. we are last in contributions to the university. you know, the college with a football team.
there is no problem with contributions to the football program. we are loaded. but the "Louisiana mentality" when it comes to education prevails. it makes me sick
Glad someone else is paying attention. Correct. The article was about academic giving, not athletic donations.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 6:07 pm to WalkingTurtles
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The same people who complain about Miles/LSU Admin are usually neither alumni nor donors. It's just like people who vote down sales tax/property tax increases and then complain about how their education system is in the dumps or the town doesn't have enough amenities. You have pay to play.
Eh, more times that not its a spending problem not a income problem. People waste money when it doesn't come out of their pocket.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 6:11 pm to TigerNlc
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Eh, more times that not its a spending problem not a income problem. People waste money when it doesn't come out of their pocket.
I don't really see how this comes into play when giving to scholarships, professorships, or labs/equipment.
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