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re: Miles Press Conference Video Link
Posted on 11/20/07 at 5:58 am to MiledV-TEC
Posted on 11/20/07 at 5:58 am to MiledV-TEC
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Well, It came to me from a very realiable source. I think the most telling statement is when he does mention the Timing issue. He chuckles, I think he knew exactly what they were doing. The "I am not looking for a job" thing interests me. I like how he goes into all of those points almost stating that because of how you did this, I dont want it. But when he gets emotional in the end about this team, I rememeber a poem called the "Tell Tell Heart." I think that told it all, he loves this place and everything about it except maybe the crazy expectations. But you dont do that unless you know something is about to come and you are leaving someone or something you love. Kinda like when u first moved away from home. You didnt want to show it but you never wanted to leave.
I thought that too. But I also thought of the fact that it was almost a "how dare you, to think I wouldn't give 100% for this team". A truly tough decision for him. It's a no win and a win - win situation at the same time. Basically with either decision he could make a part of his heart will be broken for the decision he could not make.
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Posted on 11/20/07 at 6:44 am to BillyBobfan24_7
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I rememeber a poem called the "Tell Tell Heart."
...or the Tell Tale Heart
Posted on 11/20/07 at 6:49 am to Sports2
Sounds like he is ours to lose. Over negotiate, nickle and dime him, and he is gone. Show him the respect he deserves, and he will stay as long as we do our job.
If he does stay, he will always be an LSU man!! He would take his place probably as the best coach ever.
If he does stay, he will always be an LSU man!! He would take his place probably as the best coach ever.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 6:51 am to Sports2
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I think you make a call to Jimmy Sexton and see if Nick is interested. Another non-fan favorite around here but Tuberville would be my second pick.
Not a shot in hell Saban is considered... that bridge is burned and Tiger fans need to come to terms with that... WE'LL nevere ask him to coach here again due to the way he degraded Louisianians and rubbed some of our big-time boosters and alumni the wrong way... you can count him on the black list
Tubby makes sense, but I have a feeling he may be more desirable for Texas A&M... I think LSU wants a recruiter and Tubby is a better gameday coach - not that he can't recruit...
Rich Rodriquez and Spurrier would be the 2 logical gets IMO - and even perhaps Petrino now with the Falcons STRUGGLING and multiple team issues there... I think Del Rio's team makes the playoffs and he'll be in great shape to want to keep moving forward in Jacksonville...
Posted on 11/20/07 at 7:14 am to Sports2
Coach fricking Miles....
FEAR THE HAT...I love this dude.
FEAR THE HAT...I love this dude.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 7:46 am to St. Pete Tiger
Miles is gone after the NC/BCS game. Period.
Spurrier w/ Muschamp as DC would be bad arse.
Spurrier w/ Muschamp as DC would be bad arse.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 7:52 am to ItNeverRains
When Les said "that's history" I didn't get the impression he meant: "Michigan is in the past for me."
I think he meant: "Michigan will always be an integral part of my life and it's calling me back now."
I think he meant: "Michigan will always be an integral part of my life and it's calling me back now."
Posted on 11/20/07 at 8:07 am to Emergent C Steve
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We may get a better X's and O's coach in the future but we will be hard pressed to get a better man as coach at LSU.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 9:47 am to Sports2
one word class 
Posted on 11/20/07 at 10:16 am to Sports2
OK.... I will bite.
What is this Germans stuff?
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What is this Germans stuff?
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Posted on 11/20/07 at 10:42 am to glenn327
Anyone else get the impression that Les simply can't lie. Very refreshing in the day and age of slime bags coaches. He and Richt are the class of the conference.
Fo shizzle Les, you da man!
Fo shizzle Les, you da man!
Posted on 11/20/07 at 11:25 am to wds
Program Prestige not Reason for Miles to Leave LSU
Interesting stats about our two programs:
Interesting stats about our two programs:
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Some facts to consider:
• Since the 2000 season, LSU¹s football program is 80-21; Michigan 72-27.
• Michigan owns a whopping 11 national titles in program history; LSU just two. But, since 1949, the Tigers have won two (1958, 2003) and the Wolverines just one (1997).
• LSU is 19-18-1 all-time in bowl games; Michigan 18-20. Over the past 10 seasons, LSU is 6-2 and Michigan 5-5 in postseason dates.
Really, it’s a baby boomer rationale that perceives these programs as such differing entities, and doesn’t focus on the here and now.
The best conference in the country years ago used to be a debate between the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-10. It’s the SEC now, which few argue. If you want an opinion, that’s a reason for a lesser coach to leave – it sure is easier to walk through Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Indiana and Iowa than it is Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Kentucky and Arkansas as the bottom six rungs on your conference ladder.
And let’s face it, would you rather be on the cover of Sports Illustrated for beating Tim Tebow and defending national champion Florida or for losing to I-AA Appalachian State?
Posted on 11/20/07 at 12:08 pm to LSUgrits
If Miles leaves, Crowton will be our next coach--he knows the offense and will continue to implement his schemes more and more.
We will promote one of our defensive assistants to replace Pelini when he takes the Nebraska job and keep on rolling!
60/40 chance Miles stays here at LSU!
Michigan first has to offer, and then Miles has to make a decision. When he looks at what he has at LSU, it will be a hard decision.
We will promote one of our defensive assistants to replace Pelini when he takes the Nebraska job and keep on rolling!
60/40 chance Miles stays here at LSU!
Michigan first has to offer, and then Miles has to make a decision. When he looks at what he has at LSU, it will be a hard decision.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:13 pm to Bad Cat
Gosh, fun with statistics.....you can get pretty much any result you want if you choose the time frame arbitrarily enough, viz:
• Since the 2000 season . . . 6.5 years
• Michigan owns a whopping 11 national titles in program history; LSU just two . . . . 120ish years
. But, since 1949 . . . . . 58 years
• LSU is 19-18-1 all-time in bowl games . . . now back to 120 years
Over the past 10 seasons . . . . and finally 10 years
can I try? How about LA-Monroe is better than Alabama over the last few days?
Or, Boise State is America's winningest program over the last five years-which seems to me to be the most reasonable interval to use.
The arbitariness of using different time intervals (and the arbitrariness of the results) is bad enough, but when you mix several intervals in one post/article, you get garbage.
Michigan is the winningest program in Div 1A CFB over all time (the least arbitrary time frame)-in wins, in winning percentage, in head to head record vs other top teams.
• Since the 2000 season . . . 6.5 years
• Michigan owns a whopping 11 national titles in program history; LSU just two . . . . 120ish years
. But, since 1949 . . . . . 58 years
• LSU is 19-18-1 all-time in bowl games . . . now back to 120 years
Over the past 10 seasons . . . . and finally 10 years
can I try? How about LA-Monroe is better than Alabama over the last few days?
Or, Boise State is America's winningest program over the last five years-which seems to me to be the most reasonable interval to use.
The arbitariness of using different time intervals (and the arbitrariness of the results) is bad enough, but when you mix several intervals in one post/article, you get garbage.
Michigan is the winningest program in Div 1A CFB over all time (the least arbitrary time frame)-in wins, in winning percentage, in head to head record vs other top teams.
This post was edited on 11/20/07 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:25 pm to glenn327
To demonstrate that such a move by Les Miles would be a distinct step UP in the CFB food chain, I have compared the two programs below, using a ranking method shortened from a long list posted by BuLLdawg, a Georgia fan, who used it to argue that Georgia belongs among the top dozen or so CFB programs in America.
I have omitted the academic criteria, in which Michigan is preeminent, and comparison of the teams mascots (Michigan has no mascot). Here is the comparison between the CFB programs at Michigan and LSU:
1. All-time wins in CFB BSD (nee Division 1A): Michigan is #1 (no one else is even close). LSU is #12 all time. Even if you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the top ten winningest programs, and LSU still does not.
2. All-time winning percentage Michigan is #1 in winning percent (ND is close second, everyone else is way back). LSU is #14 all time. If you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the winningest programs, and LSU still does not.
3. Comparing Won-Lost records against other top programs. LSU s all-time record vs the 10 winningest programs is: 40 W, 64 L, and 11 Ties (39% winning record). LSU does not have a winning record vs ANY of the top 10 winningest teams of all time (in order: Michigan, ND, Texas, tOSU, OU, Alabama, Nebraska, USC Tenn, and PSU), and has NEVER played the number 1 all-time winningest team, (Michigan). LSU has NEVER beaten the 4th, 7th , and 10th all time winningest teams. These are tOSU (which LSU has played twice), Nebraska (which LSU has played 6 times), and PSU (once)
Michigan has an all time record of 91 wins, 69 loses, and 8 ties vs the (other 9 of the) top ten all-time winingest programs, for a winning percentage of 56.6%. Among the six teams it has played more than once, Michigan has winning records vs ALL BUT ONE of the other top teams. The lone exception is USC, which holds a 6W, 4L record vs Michigan. ALL of Southern Cal s wins over Michigan were played in LA. In fact, only three of the ten winningest teams of all time have EVER beaten Michigan in Michigan.
Michigan is one of only two programs with a winning record vs Notre Dame over more than a half-dozen games (Nebraska is the other), and is one of only two teams (USC is the other) with a winning record vs the #4 all-time winningest team-tOSU. Michigan played Army during and after the war (when Army had arguably the greatest teams ever assembled-and had a hard time finding teams willing to play them). Michigan played Harvard in the 1800 s, when Harvard was the undisputed king of football. Michigan played Oklahoma, Texas and Tennessee, each in the bowl games culminating their most recent NC years, and we played USC during several of their NC years. Michigan has played them all, and usually came out on top. Michigan is the winningest team in big-time CFB.
All of the above data may be found at: LINK
4. Strength of Schedule: I could find data only for the last two years: Phil Steele ranks Michigan s SoS 13th in 2006 (using opponents ex post facto won-lost percentages, plus that of the second degree opponents) and 13th in 2007 (using only won-loss records for opponents for the previous year). LSU s SoSs ranked 50th and 28th respectively.
Further, if you take the number of times Michigan and LSU have played the top ten teams (other top 9 in Michigan s case) divided by the total games each team has played, you find that Michigan has played nearly 16% of its games all-time against this top echelon, while LSU has played about 10% of their games all-time vs this group. One could argue that, by this rough measure, Michigan has played a tougher schedule than LSU over 100 years.
5. Bowl games: In bowl games played in the South and West (as virtually all are) against teams from the South and West, Michigan s record is only 18 W and 16 L. I could not find LSU's bowl record, but (since some of their bowl games were played in Louisiana or in neighboring Texas), their record should be better.
6. Number of former players in the NFL All-time roster lists are here: LINK LSU has 244 players who played one or more seasons in the NFL. Michigan has 305. Michigan has 6 NFL hall of famers, LSU has 3. Current (2006) rosters show 36 players who attended LSU, and 42 who attended Michigan. (source: LINK ).
7. National Champs (and the associated AP rankings), Conference Championships, and Heisman Trophies. Michigan has won the Big Ten football championship 42 times outright, and shared that championship an additional 26 times. Michigan has won the (mostly mythical) national championship in CFB 11 times, and Michigan s players have won the Heisman 3 times. LSU has won the SEC football championship 9 times, and the mNC twice. One LSU player has won the Heisman.
Sources for LSU SEC Championship and National Championship data: LINK
The All Time Final AP Football Poll (from the SEC Website: LINK
Rank Team Points Top 20 Top 10 Top 5 1st 2nd
1. Michigan 715 51 36 15 2 2
2. Notre Dame 701.5 47 35 22 8 5
3. Oklahoma 689.5 44 32 27 6 4
4. ALABAMA 637 44 32 18 6 2
5. Ohio State 630 44 26 17 4 6
6. Nebraska 617 41 30 13 4 2
7. Texas 544.5 37 23 8 3 1
8. TENNESSEE 533 39 23 13 2 4
9. Southern Cal 530 39 23 15 5 5
10. Penn State 484 37 22 14 2 3
15. LSU 364 29 17 6 1 2
8. Directors Cup Rankings Final 2006-07 Standings through 6/27/07
1. Stanford, 1429.00
2. UCLA, 1232.00
3. North Carolina, 1161.33
4. Michigan, 1135.25
5. Southern California, 1103.50
17. Louisiana State University
When all is said and done, neither LSU nor any other school, can be favorably compared to Michigan. Michigan is the yardstick against which all others are measured, but Michigan has no peer. Michigan is arguably the greatest winning tradition in all of sport.
I have omitted the academic criteria, in which Michigan is preeminent, and comparison of the teams mascots (Michigan has no mascot). Here is the comparison between the CFB programs at Michigan and LSU:
1. All-time wins in CFB BSD (nee Division 1A): Michigan is #1 (no one else is even close). LSU is #12 all time. Even if you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the top ten winningest programs, and LSU still does not.
2. All-time winning percentage Michigan is #1 in winning percent (ND is close second, everyone else is way back). LSU is #14 all time. If you restrict comparison to the last 10 years, Michigan still ranks among the winningest programs, and LSU still does not.
3. Comparing Won-Lost records against other top programs. LSU s all-time record vs the 10 winningest programs is: 40 W, 64 L, and 11 Ties (39% winning record). LSU does not have a winning record vs ANY of the top 10 winningest teams of all time (in order: Michigan, ND, Texas, tOSU, OU, Alabama, Nebraska, USC Tenn, and PSU), and has NEVER played the number 1 all-time winningest team, (Michigan). LSU has NEVER beaten the 4th, 7th , and 10th all time winningest teams. These are tOSU (which LSU has played twice), Nebraska (which LSU has played 6 times), and PSU (once)
Michigan has an all time record of 91 wins, 69 loses, and 8 ties vs the (other 9 of the) top ten all-time winingest programs, for a winning percentage of 56.6%. Among the six teams it has played more than once, Michigan has winning records vs ALL BUT ONE of the other top teams. The lone exception is USC, which holds a 6W, 4L record vs Michigan. ALL of Southern Cal s wins over Michigan were played in LA. In fact, only three of the ten winningest teams of all time have EVER beaten Michigan in Michigan.
Michigan is one of only two programs with a winning record vs Notre Dame over more than a half-dozen games (Nebraska is the other), and is one of only two teams (USC is the other) with a winning record vs the #4 all-time winningest team-tOSU. Michigan played Army during and after the war (when Army had arguably the greatest teams ever assembled-and had a hard time finding teams willing to play them). Michigan played Harvard in the 1800 s, when Harvard was the undisputed king of football. Michigan played Oklahoma, Texas and Tennessee, each in the bowl games culminating their most recent NC years, and we played USC during several of their NC years. Michigan has played them all, and usually came out on top. Michigan is the winningest team in big-time CFB.
All of the above data may be found at: LINK
4. Strength of Schedule: I could find data only for the last two years: Phil Steele ranks Michigan s SoS 13th in 2006 (using opponents ex post facto won-lost percentages, plus that of the second degree opponents) and 13th in 2007 (using only won-loss records for opponents for the previous year). LSU s SoSs ranked 50th and 28th respectively.
Further, if you take the number of times Michigan and LSU have played the top ten teams (other top 9 in Michigan s case) divided by the total games each team has played, you find that Michigan has played nearly 16% of its games all-time against this top echelon, while LSU has played about 10% of their games all-time vs this group. One could argue that, by this rough measure, Michigan has played a tougher schedule than LSU over 100 years.
5. Bowl games: In bowl games played in the South and West (as virtually all are) against teams from the South and West, Michigan s record is only 18 W and 16 L. I could not find LSU's bowl record, but (since some of their bowl games were played in Louisiana or in neighboring Texas), their record should be better.
6. Number of former players in the NFL All-time roster lists are here: LINK LSU has 244 players who played one or more seasons in the NFL. Michigan has 305. Michigan has 6 NFL hall of famers, LSU has 3. Current (2006) rosters show 36 players who attended LSU, and 42 who attended Michigan. (source: LINK ).
7. National Champs (and the associated AP rankings), Conference Championships, and Heisman Trophies. Michigan has won the Big Ten football championship 42 times outright, and shared that championship an additional 26 times. Michigan has won the (mostly mythical) national championship in CFB 11 times, and Michigan s players have won the Heisman 3 times. LSU has won the SEC football championship 9 times, and the mNC twice. One LSU player has won the Heisman.
Sources for LSU SEC Championship and National Championship data: LINK
The All Time Final AP Football Poll (from the SEC Website: LINK
Rank Team Points Top 20 Top 10 Top 5 1st 2nd
1. Michigan 715 51 36 15 2 2
2. Notre Dame 701.5 47 35 22 8 5
3. Oklahoma 689.5 44 32 27 6 4
4. ALABAMA 637 44 32 18 6 2
5. Ohio State 630 44 26 17 4 6
6. Nebraska 617 41 30 13 4 2
7. Texas 544.5 37 23 8 3 1
8. TENNESSEE 533 39 23 13 2 4
9. Southern Cal 530 39 23 15 5 5
10. Penn State 484 37 22 14 2 3
15. LSU 364 29 17 6 1 2
8. Directors Cup Rankings Final 2006-07 Standings through 6/27/07
1. Stanford, 1429.00
2. UCLA, 1232.00
3. North Carolina, 1161.33
4. Michigan, 1135.25
5. Southern California, 1103.50
17. Louisiana State University
When all is said and done, neither LSU nor any other school, can be favorably compared to Michigan. Michigan is the yardstick against which all others are measured, but Michigan has no peer. Michigan is arguably the greatest winning tradition in all of sport.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:47 pm to glenn327
this is so much fun....
9. Marching Band, fight song, and stadium. The Michigan Marching Band is arguably the finest in all of CFB. Michigan was invited to perform at the halftime of the FIRST super bowl. The Michigan band invented the most famous marching display in all of CFB-the script Ohio (see tOSU s website), and according to John Phillip Sousa (and many rankings over the years) Michigan has the greatest fight song in all of CFB. Michigan stadium is the largest in all of American CFB. Like the Rose Bowl and ND stadium (which is a copy of Michigan stadium-in miniature), it is relatively quiet due to its flatness (unlike steeper, hence noisier, stadia elsewhere).
10. Rivalries: Rivalries are a big part of what makes CFB distinct from pro football. The Michigan-tOSU game has been called (by ESPN) the greatest rivalry in all of sport (not just in CFB). #2 in the ESPN ranking is Frasier-Ali. #3 is Yankees vs Red Sox.
Our second rival is Notre Dame. Michigan helped Notre Dame get its football program started. We literally taught ND how to play football (in response to their written request). We gave them the design for our stadium, which they copied-in miniature. They borrowed our school colors, and took the inspiration for their fight song (the second greatest in CFB) from a defeat at the hands of Michigan. When Knute Rockne applied for the HC job at Notre Dame, they asked him one question-can you beat the Wolverine? As noted above, Michigan is one of only two teams with a winning record vs Notre Dame.
Our third rival is Penn State. When Penn State was invited to join the Big Ten, Michigan (and the Big Ten) agreed to PSU s demand for a bye week for PSU (but not Michigan) before every Penn State-Michigan game for several years. Even with this, Michigan has a 9 game winning streak over PSU. No other team has ever beaten PSU more than four years in a row. All of our major rivals are among the top ten winningest programs of all time. Some additional schools (e.g. Michigan State and Minnesota) consider Michigan to be their biggest rival. Many schools measure themselves against Michigan, but Michigan has winning records vs all of them, in every era.
10. Intangibles: Michigan was instrumental in the emergence of modern college football as we know it today. Michigan made CFB a national game-by traveling again and again to the east coast to play all the great powers there. Only after Michigan was able to defeat Harvard and Yale, did the center of gravity in the football universe shift west of the Alleghenies. Michigan was the first team to play in a bowl (1901 Rose Bowl, vs Stanford), played in the first televised game, and holds the record for most consecutive televised games. Michigan has been instrumental in shaping the rules of CFB.
Most importantly, (together with the other members of the nation s premiere athletic conference-the Big Ten, and with active help from the Pac Ten, Notre Dame and the ACC) Michigan has long been, and remains today, the strongest bulwark against the erosion of academic integrity in college football.
9. Marching Band, fight song, and stadium. The Michigan Marching Band is arguably the finest in all of CFB. Michigan was invited to perform at the halftime of the FIRST super bowl. The Michigan band invented the most famous marching display in all of CFB-the script Ohio (see tOSU s website), and according to John Phillip Sousa (and many rankings over the years) Michigan has the greatest fight song in all of CFB. Michigan stadium is the largest in all of American CFB. Like the Rose Bowl and ND stadium (which is a copy of Michigan stadium-in miniature), it is relatively quiet due to its flatness (unlike steeper, hence noisier, stadia elsewhere).
10. Rivalries: Rivalries are a big part of what makes CFB distinct from pro football. The Michigan-tOSU game has been called (by ESPN) the greatest rivalry in all of sport (not just in CFB). #2 in the ESPN ranking is Frasier-Ali. #3 is Yankees vs Red Sox.
Our second rival is Notre Dame. Michigan helped Notre Dame get its football program started. We literally taught ND how to play football (in response to their written request). We gave them the design for our stadium, which they copied-in miniature. They borrowed our school colors, and took the inspiration for their fight song (the second greatest in CFB) from a defeat at the hands of Michigan. When Knute Rockne applied for the HC job at Notre Dame, they asked him one question-can you beat the Wolverine? As noted above, Michigan is one of only two teams with a winning record vs Notre Dame.
Our third rival is Penn State. When Penn State was invited to join the Big Ten, Michigan (and the Big Ten) agreed to PSU s demand for a bye week for PSU (but not Michigan) before every Penn State-Michigan game for several years. Even with this, Michigan has a 9 game winning streak over PSU. No other team has ever beaten PSU more than four years in a row. All of our major rivals are among the top ten winningest programs of all time. Some additional schools (e.g. Michigan State and Minnesota) consider Michigan to be their biggest rival. Many schools measure themselves against Michigan, but Michigan has winning records vs all of them, in every era.
10. Intangibles: Michigan was instrumental in the emergence of modern college football as we know it today. Michigan made CFB a national game-by traveling again and again to the east coast to play all the great powers there. Only after Michigan was able to defeat Harvard and Yale, did the center of gravity in the football universe shift west of the Alleghenies. Michigan was the first team to play in a bowl (1901 Rose Bowl, vs Stanford), played in the first televised game, and holds the record for most consecutive televised games. Michigan has been instrumental in shaping the rules of CFB.
Most importantly, (together with the other members of the nation s premiere athletic conference-the Big Ten, and with active help from the Pac Ten, Notre Dame and the ACC) Michigan has long been, and remains today, the strongest bulwark against the erosion of academic integrity in college football.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 1:56 pm to glenn327
One more 'for the Gipper' (who was from Michigan, but who played for that other school):
Some top coaches have 'out' clauses in their contracts allowing them to leave for one or a few specific coaching jobs. These are a measure of how desirable those specific coaching jobs are.
The 'out' clauses (past and present) I have seen are:
Urban Meyer (Notre Dame, tOSU, and Michigan)
Lou Holtz (Notre Dame, tOSU and Michigan)
Les Miles (Michigan only)
tallying them up, that means that Michigan is on the short list of most desirable coaching jobs for three top coaches, while Notre Dame and tOSU are so named by only two coaches. I do not know of even one SEC schools named in such an 'out' clause.
Some top coaches have 'out' clauses in their contracts allowing them to leave for one or a few specific coaching jobs. These are a measure of how desirable those specific coaching jobs are.
The 'out' clauses (past and present) I have seen are:
Urban Meyer (Notre Dame, tOSU, and Michigan)
Lou Holtz (Notre Dame, tOSU and Michigan)
Les Miles (Michigan only)
tallying them up, that means that Michigan is on the short list of most desirable coaching jobs for three top coaches, while Notre Dame and tOSU are so named by only two coaches. I do not know of even one SEC schools named in such an 'out' clause.
Posted on 11/20/07 at 2:05 pm to glenn327
Dude, you're talking to yourself.
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:11 am to LSUgrits
haha
Posted on 1/4/10 at 1:16 am to Ryan3232
really?
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