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re: NCAA will allow athletes to be compensated per CNBC
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:17 pm to shel311
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:17 pm to shel311
quote:
One, we have no way of regulating and works so poorly, the FBI gets inolved, see above.
Yea, this will be soooooooo much worse.
You do realize the same thing will happen if it appears these kids are getting money they shouldn’t, correct?
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Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:17 pm to RB10
quote:Again, it sounds like you're saying these new rules won't be all that much different.
You do realize the same thing will happen if it appears these kids are getting money they shouldn’t, correct?
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:18 pm to shel311
quote:
Again, it sounds like you're saying these new rules won't be all that much different.
They make paying players for play easier to get away with, which is the problem.
I’m glad you’ve finally caught on.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:18 pm to shel311
We are pointing out with the new system, payments will now be larger. With larger payments the sphere of influence money had will be greater
Those are pretty obvious. A lot of people view this as a “worse” product due to money to the athletes becoming even more important on which college they chose
What exactly are you arguing shel?
Those are pretty obvious. A lot of people view this as a “worse” product due to money to the athletes becoming even more important on which college they chose
What exactly are you arguing shel?
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:20 pm to RB10
quote:They're making it so you're not "getting away" with anything.
They make paying players for play easier to get away with, which is the problem.
I’m glad you’ve finally caught on.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:21 pm to lsupride87
quote:Feel free to read some posts, you clearly weren't before when you chimed in without knowing what was being discussed.
What exactly are you arguing shel?
Do better.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:21 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
So boosters can now buy 10,000 jerseys for certain players to "compensate them"? Then just toss em in the trash or send them to Africa.
Exactly. REC or TAF can buy thousands of dollars of player apparel and merchandise, effectively functioning as an annual salary for the player.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:21 pm to shel311
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They're making it so you're not "getting away" with anything.
What? You understand players in college can only be paid for advertisements and their likeness, correct? They aren’t getting a salary to play sports.
Paying players to play is still going to be against the rules. Do you really not understand this?
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:22 pm to shel311
quote:
Again, it sounds like you're saying these new rules won't be all that much different.
The "rules" are in the process of going bye bye, generally speaking the NCAA should not be restricting trade i.e. Sherman Act.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Horrible decision that will cause a shockwave of unintended consequences.
This cannot be stated enough. It will undoubtedly be the case. A few random thoughts:
-this is the first step in a limited amount of schools breaking away from the NCAA, or at least forming their own "division". This break away must happen because this sets up the rich get richer scenario.
-Unless Title 9 is deleted, are women going to get paid the same? If so, this will further emphasize the whole rich get richer bit.
-are the students actually going to get paid directly from the schools? Or will they simply be allowed to work during their time in school? Camps/clinics/etc. Or is this only for jerseys, and things like that? Devil is in the details.
-the nc double a hole is a bunch of clowns that will manage to screw this up as well.
-My $.02...any money should be tied to graduation. If you are good enough to leave prior to your graduation, then you would not need these relative pennies (as compared to the professional signing bonus).
-under the table payments will 100% continue. anyone that does not believe this has never been a collegiate athlete.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:22 pm to shel311
You don’t really have a coherent argument honestly. You seem to be refusing to admit this changes the game
I don’t nexcessarily disagree with you that this rule change is the right thing to do, but you pretending it effectively changes nothing is laughable
I don’t nexcessarily disagree with you that this rule change is the right thing to do, but you pretending it effectively changes nothing is laughable
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:23 pm to RB10
quote:Yes. These amounts I'm sure will have to be reported somewhere.
What? You understand players in college can only be paid for advertisements and their likeness, correct?
I'm pretty sure if player A decides to sign 100 footballs for $10million, that's gonna raise a red flag for review.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
Problem I have with it is that there are no controls on it. We're going to be in danger of condensing college football down to 15 or 20 teams who compete, driven by money.
This cannot turn into a highest bidder type situation. There need to be limits. I don't know how, but that is the only way this would ever work.
And in my opinion, no, a university should not also have to pay some kid tuition expenses and room and board after he accepts 6-figures for the use of his likeness. The athlete is also using the cache & exposure that the university brings. That counts for something, and should wash out the scholarship.
This cannot turn into a highest bidder type situation. There need to be limits. I don't know how, but that is the only way this would ever work.
And in my opinion, no, a university should not also have to pay some kid tuition expenses and room and board after he accepts 6-figures for the use of his likeness. The athlete is also using the cache & exposure that the university brings. That counts for something, and should wash out the scholarship.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:25 pm to lsupride87
quote:You literally didn't read the posts and came to that conclusion.
You don’t really have a coherent argument honestly
quote:Never said that, but you wouldn't know given you haven't read any of the posts.
You seem to be refusing to admit this changes the game
quote:Probably not as laughbale as such strong opinions without knowing what's being discussed.
I don’t nexcessarily disagree with you that this rule change is the right thing to do, but you pretending it effectively changes nothing is laughable
Do better.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:25 pm to Screaming Viking
quote:
-this is the first step in a limited amount of schools breaking away from the NCAA, or at least forming their own "division". This break away must happen because this sets up the rich get richer scenario.
Well, any new association would run into the same problem i.e. the statutory laws of the federal and state government, the Sherman Act comes to mind.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:27 pm to shel311
quote:
Do better
You should probably take your own advice. You’re in here acting like this is the best thing ever when it’s consequences could be pretty severe for the sports we enjoy watching if it’s not heavily regulated.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:28 pm to TSmith
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-this is the first step in a limited amount of schools breaking away from the NCAA, or at least forming their own "division". This break away must happen because this sets up the rich get richer scenario.
That is a separate issue, but depending on State law and what the particular situation is - many of these players should have already been paid, imo, but the devil is in the details.
Basically, the States/Federal government have turned a blind eye to legal violations and corruption by the schools by and through the NCAA - that's slowly coming to an end.
This post was edited on 10/29/19 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:29 pm to shel311
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Yes. These amounts I'm sure will have to be reported somewhere.
I'm pretty sure if player A decides to sign 100 footballs for $10million, that's gonna raise a red flag for review.
Meaning when the numbers don’t mesh, which will happen, you’ll have the same clusterfrick of “pay for play” issues you have now. Only it will be even more difficult to prove because you’ve allowed players to be paid for their likeness and now have to distinguish what was allowed income and what wasn’t.
Yeah, this would be a brilliant move.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:30 pm to RB10
quote:I do, I'm doing fine in here.
You should probably take your own advice
quote:That's a you problem if that's your interpretation, not a me problem.
You’re in here acting like this is the best thing ever
quote:Let me try this....you're in here acting like it's the worst thing every when its consequences might not actually be so consequential.
You’re in here acting like this is the best thing ever when it’s consequences could be pretty severe for the sports we enjoy watching if it’s not heavily regulated.
Posted on 10/29/19 at 2:31 pm to RB10
quote:Again, sounds like you're saying not much will change.
you’ll have the same clusterfrick of “pay for play” issues you have now.
quote:That's REALLY your argument? IT will go from really hard to prove to a little bit more reall hard to prove, so everything will fall apart? C'mon man.
Only it will be even more difficult to prove because you’ve allowed players to be paid for their likeness and now have to distinguish what was allowed income and what wasn’t.
Yeah, this would be a brilliant move.
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