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re: ND fan here
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:06 pm to Here for the Heist
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:06 pm to Here for the Heist
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Here for the Heist
This cat just raised the IQ of The Rant for a few days.
Thanks for the refreshing banter. Sure beats the typical trolling and shitposting.
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Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:07 pm to Paul Allen
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Too bad Wimbush didn’t work out. He was predicted to be one of the all time great ND QBs.
QB development would be in my top 3 things I'd be concerned about if I were an LSU fan along with offensive capability / consistency in general (and the two are likely inter-related) and overall recruiting effort / holes.
Kelly had plenty of QB raw material to work with at ND: Crist, Wimbush, Jurkovec, etc. were all highly-rated, high 4-star or 5-star guys. None of them turned into anything to write home about at the college level, and it was one of the most significant reasons why Kelly could never truly compete with OSU, Clemson, and the like. And it's not a position that ND struggles recruiting, either. He is very hard on his QB's.
To the OP's comment, I think the liberalized transfer portal will help close some gaps for LSU that he couldn't really do at ND. I don't think he will ever be a balls-to-the-wall, maniacal recruiter in the mold of a Saban, Meyer, or the like, but I am not sure that matters as much at LSU as it did at ND.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 2:08 pm to FMtTXtiger
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This guys is too educated on football to be on here. Not one misspelled word or run-on sentence.
I did see a "sale" where a "sell" should be.
But my Catholic League education >>>>>>> ND education. My guys went there and didn't learn diddly poo for 2 years into college.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 6:37 am to Here for the Heist
This was the best thread in tigerdroppings history
Thank you!
Thank you!
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:40 am to Here for the Heist
It’s refreshing to see some actual though from an ND fan rather than just “ND upgraded by getting rid of Kelly! Best staff we’ve ever had now!”
Posted on 12/2/21 at 7:57 am to SaDaTayMoses
I think we forget Blake Baker is not only a great Linebacker Coach but also a great recruiter. He played LB at Tulane, recruited for Holtz at LA Tech, for Miami, and has been doing the same at LSU all year. He has several of those recruits now in the NFL and will add Damone Clark this year. Clark’s comments speaks volumes about his coach and the LB he has made him.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 1:06 pm to deaux
We have our fair share of dumb and butthurt fans, no different than any other team. I really get why some ND fans are pissed about Kelly leaving a team that could get into the playoffs. They cry out in pain, "he's quittin on his team and isn't honoring his committment!" Fair points, for sure. However, these same fans celebrate and encourage players who leave early for the draft or sit out "meaningless" bowl games bc "you gotta get paid and do what's right for you!".
Sure, there's a slight difference between a coach and player leaving but it's logically inconsistent to encourage a player to abandon his committment while you simultaneously tell a coach to get bent for doing the same. I can see them reading this now and frantically trying to create a username to tell me how Kelly was already a millionaire and these players are trying to make a few bucks. Save it. Kelly is getting paid generational type money at LSU. With incentives, rumor is he will make more in five years at LSU than he has his entire career at ND. Whether it's true or not isn't relevant - it's still more money than most people can comprehend.
Moreover, something that LSU fans may not have heard is Kelly requested a sitdown with administration to review his compensation, I'm assuming it was after Sparty gave tucker that moronic contract, and he was blown off. Even if you don't think he deserves more money, you just don't do that to a coach that has given you years of service. Have a meeting and tell him no. If that rumor is true, Kelly did the most reasonable thing possible. He didn't cry and bitch about it in the media or wherever - he just thanked them and left. If you're committed to your craft or job and your employer treated you the same way, what would you do?
I'm not a Kelly fanboy or a kelly apologist I've been critical of him and have given him credit. Overall, I think he's a great coach that could be elite. We'll see. If I were calling the shots at ND, sorry to say I'm not, I would not have matched your deal and would have let him walk. Wouldn't have blown him off, though.
Overall, ND fans are correct that this may work out as a net positive but it's not b/c we were just so blessed to have you take a moron off of our hands. They're just blinded by their recent distaste for Kelly and simply do not see the entire picture here - this could be a scenario where it's a net positive for BOTH LSU and ND. You got a coach that can correct issues you are having, and may win a title or two. We kept all of our best assistant coaches and got a young coach with some serious juice who may be able to boost recruiting and win a title or two. Nobody knows how this will end but both sides should be optimistic.
Sure, there's a slight difference between a coach and player leaving but it's logically inconsistent to encourage a player to abandon his committment while you simultaneously tell a coach to get bent for doing the same. I can see them reading this now and frantically trying to create a username to tell me how Kelly was already a millionaire and these players are trying to make a few bucks. Save it. Kelly is getting paid generational type money at LSU. With incentives, rumor is he will make more in five years at LSU than he has his entire career at ND. Whether it's true or not isn't relevant - it's still more money than most people can comprehend.
Moreover, something that LSU fans may not have heard is Kelly requested a sitdown with administration to review his compensation, I'm assuming it was after Sparty gave tucker that moronic contract, and he was blown off. Even if you don't think he deserves more money, you just don't do that to a coach that has given you years of service. Have a meeting and tell him no. If that rumor is true, Kelly did the most reasonable thing possible. He didn't cry and bitch about it in the media or wherever - he just thanked them and left. If you're committed to your craft or job and your employer treated you the same way, what would you do?
I'm not a Kelly fanboy or a kelly apologist I've been critical of him and have given him credit. Overall, I think he's a great coach that could be elite. We'll see. If I were calling the shots at ND, sorry to say I'm not, I would not have matched your deal and would have let him walk. Wouldn't have blown him off, though.
Overall, ND fans are correct that this may work out as a net positive but it's not b/c we were just so blessed to have you take a moron off of our hands. They're just blinded by their recent distaste for Kelly and simply do not see the entire picture here - this could be a scenario where it's a net positive for BOTH LSU and ND. You got a coach that can correct issues you are having, and may win a title or two. We kept all of our best assistant coaches and got a young coach with some serious juice who may be able to boost recruiting and win a title or two. Nobody knows how this will end but both sides should be optimistic.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/2/21 at 1:12 pm to Here for the Heist
I understand why he left ND, but it is going to be a dogfight for any SEC coach aside from Saban to compete consistently for SEC titles, not to mention leaving a national fan base and brand like ND isn’t really a good thing, but the opportunity to coach in the SEC at a school like LSU doesn’t come up very often.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 1:27 pm to Paul Allen
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but it is going to be a dogfight for any SEC coach aside from Saban to compete consistently for SEC titles
Kirby stands the best chance, mainly due to GA talent and UGA's national recruiting footprint, although he needs a better OC imo. Losing Pittman to Arkie didn't seem to hurt UGA at all.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 1:27 pm to Paul Allen
For sure. LSU was able to win the dogfight a few times with Les and O so Kelly SHOULD be able to do the same. The recent flood of coaches into the SECW is going to make that more difficult, even for bama. Best case scenario is for Lane and Leach to leave Mississippi and hope that Harsin can't get Auburn turned around. It's not like these teams are some great threat to consistently win the SECW but Lane's offense and Leach's opportuntistic approach can really frick a good season for LSU or bama. I just don't get AnM or fisher. He seems like an idiot but he does have a title and they spend a whole lotta cash to win 8 games.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 1:32 pm to tirebiter
How much does it help Georgia that FSU and Miami are in the shitter, and Florida was not too far behind? I assume they rely heavily on Florida recruits and they would be tougher to get if Miami and FSU actually considered winning again.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 5:23 pm to Here for the Heist
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I assume they rely heavily on Florida recruits and they would be tougher to get if Miami and FSU actually considered winning again.
Look at the number of GA high school players that sign with Power 5 schools annually. Talking 11M+ state population, and unlike LA they produce OL consistently although UGA has a broad national reach. They do get guys out of FL, but so does LSU. I am not a Kirby fan but that guy has become as good a recruiter as Saban and has a much deeper state base to draw from, GA Tech doesn't get the type of guys UGA does in-state, either.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:38 am to Here for the Heist
Gotta hand it to BK, just having this team in a position to make the playoffs after 8 weeks is a good sign for the future of the program. It's not an easy path, but you have bama at home and if you can somehow get into the SEC title game, anything can happen.
Whatever happens, it seems clear Kelly has this team on the right path and if Walker Howard is a player, this team will do some damage over the next few years.
I'll be cheering you guys on as I suffer through the rest of ND's season.
Good luck boys!
Whatever happens, it seems clear Kelly has this team on the right path and if Walker Howard is a player, this team will do some damage over the next few years.
I'll be cheering you guys on as I suffer through the rest of ND's season.
Good luck boys!
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:42 am to Here for the Heist
Nice bump
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:46 am to Here for the Heist
Im sure someone will feed you and get you drunk if you want to come down and experience Death Valley!
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:54 am to Here for the Heist
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Overall, ND fans are correct that this may work out as a net positive but it's not b/c we were just so blessed to have you take a moron off of our hands. They're just blinded by their recent distaste for Kelly and simply do not see the entire picture here - this could be a scenario where it's a net positive for BOTH LSU and ND. You got a coach that can correct issues you are having, and may win a title or two. We kept all of our best assistant coaches and got a young coach with some serious juice who may be able to boost recruiting and win a title or two. Nobody knows how this will end but both sides should be optimistic.
The problem with ND, that many ND fans and the administration will not admit, is ND…
Unless you land a generational QB you will not win another NC no matter who your coach is…
The downfall, and you can go back and track it with the number of double digit wins, was 1994 when the scholarship limit dropped from 95 to 85…
Those 10 extra schollies allowed ND to overcome the academic standards it has hampered itself with to get the number of play makers that is needed that they have been lacking in numbers for each team ever since…
I truly feel it’s why Holtz bailed just after 3 seasons when this went into affect, he saw the writing on the wall and ND only had 2 double digit win seasons after Holtz until Kelly which I believed he produced 7 and 5 of those was his last 5 seasons…
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:55 am to Here for the Heist
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We kept all of our best assistant coaches and got a young coach with some serious juice who may be able to boost recruiting and win a title or two.
Do ND fans still feel this way after a 4-3 start?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:56 am to Here for the Heist
Quality post. I appreciate a ND fan able to give a fair assessment on Kelly without all the buthurt that the rest of the media seems to be suffering from.
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