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re: Nuss running more
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:55 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
Posted on 10/17/24 at 8:55 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It’s simple. Just look at the depth chart.
This is not the answer. Most teams don’t have a stud to step up at QB. Texas’s situation is not a common one.
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Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:16 am to kew48
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Why is Nuss not running more ? Is it by design or dictate by Coaches or is it because he cannot recognize the opportunities ?
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:17 am to kew48
Waiting for the Bama game
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:19 am to kew48
The RANT: "Nuss needs to run more"
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:40 am to JR
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Probably because he never had to before. He is the son of a NFL old school QB coach. Probably was always told to keep his eyes downfield, go through progressions, and deliver the ball to one of the options on the play. If no options are there, get rid of the ball and don't take a sack.
Most kids these days, at an early age play QB because they are the best athlete on the team. If the first option on a play isn't there, they are encouraged to take off and run. Look at Jayden Daniels, would always take off quickly if the options were not there, Kelly and Sloane had to teach I'm to go through progressions and trust his arm to throw into smaller windows.
I think this is exactly it and I’ve made the exact same point before. Most QBs have to learn to keep their eyes downfield when flushed out of the pocket, and it takes a while to break that bad habit. Their default is to run. This is where Nuss having a QB coach for a dad kinda “hurts” him a bit. His default is to keep his eyes downfield until somebody gets open. And it’s like he’s looking past all the open field and doesn’t recognize all the grass in front of him.
Of the 2 extremes, it’s the better “problem” to have. But with our lack of a running game, teams aren’t having to respect it, and they don’t bite on play action like they normally would. They just turn around and start running with our WRs. If Nuss can start to recognize when the backers and CBs have their backs turned to him, he can take off. He doesn’t have to do it a lot, but he’s leaving a handful of easy 3rd and long pickups every game by not recognizing it immediately and taking off. We don’t need him to run it 8 times for 60 yards, but if he can scramble for 11 yards on a few 3rd and 10s to keep the chains moving, that would be HUGE.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:43 am to Lsuhoohoo
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There's been times they've called read plays where he could have pulled it picked up yardage but he doesn't
I doubt it. I don’t think we call many—if ANY—zone reads. The plays that look like those are almost definitely called handoffs.
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There's been times on those read plays where a DE has on multiple occasions, crashed down so hard after the running back that they are giving zero attention to Nuss. That's where Sloan should specifically call those plays and tell Nuss you're keeping it because they're not paying any attention to you.
Nah. You’re talking about RPOs where the option is to read the end and either hand it off or pull it and pass it. I don’t think Nuss running is an option on those plays like it was with Jayden last year. But I do agree that we could probably start running a couple of actual zone reads a game where Nuss has the option to pull it and run to keep the defense a bit more honest. But maybe just once or twice a game.
When Kelly was talking about Nuss needing to run more, it was 100% about scrambling when they’re giving him a free 20-30 yards. And he doesn’t have to get hit on those plays. Just slide or run out of bounds. But take the free yards and 1st downs.
And Kelly had a sound bite this week about the running game woes. He said it was a combo of everything. OL blocking the wrong guy, the TE not hitting his guy on the right side, the RBs not hitting the right hole, and Nuss not checking into or out of runs based on what he sees at the LOS. But he said we’re getting better and thinks we’re close to getting better.
Nuss’s scrambling was a completely different thing. It won’t open up the running game (besides the yards he gets), it will make the LBs and DBs have to hesitate just half second longer, which will help our WRs get open.
This post was edited on 10/17/24 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:56 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I think its because he never thinks about it. For example, a facilitator point guard might pass up an open look and the fan will say "Why didn't he shoot?" and the PG will say that he wasn't looking for a shot, he was looking for an open teammate. Now a more experienced PG will be able to look for open players while also being aware of when they have an open look. Basically I am saying that I think NUss gets locked into finding a WR and never looks down to look for lanes to run. As he gains experience he will be more comfortable looking to run like he did on that one 3rd down vs OM.
Hell on the OM run you could tell that he barely noticed that he had room to run and then kinda panic ran. It was like the coaches on the sideline had been telling him to run when its open and he was like "Someone get open! Holy shite I'm open! I need to go!
Yep.
His preference is to keep the play alive and try to squeeze a ball into a tight window rather than taking off. He's not looking at everyone bailing and the green grass in front of him. He focused on the WR downfield.
He doesn't need to be Daniels. Or even Burrow. He just has to pick up a few 6-10 yard gains with his legs a game to extend drive. If he does that the LBs (and DBs) will have to honor it just for a second...which could be all that's needed to create more separation by the WRs.
The bigger issue is in the running game. Teams aren't honoring him as a running threat at all...and they shouldn't. That's allowing the unblocked edge guys to crash the RB immediately. If the coaches don't want him keeping the ball, or he refuses to do so, then the running game approach has to change. Otherwise, it's going to continue to struggle.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:58 am to TN Tygah
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This is not the answer. Most teams don’t have a stud to step up at QB. Texas’s situation is not a common one.
It is the answer. We had to get a transfer who couldn’t start at Vanderbilt because we had a high school senior and Ricky Collins behind Nuss, and the Vandy transfer ain’t it either. They know there’s a huge drop off behind Nuss. Name another power 5 team with a bigger drop off.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 9:59 am to kew48
He avoids sacks, which is nice.
But I think we all rather him take the 5 yards and slide or run out of bounds than throw up a 20 yard prayer
But I think we all rather him take the 5 yards and slide or run out of bounds than throw up a 20 yard prayer
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:00 am to kew48
6 starts. That's it. He will run more when he plays more snaps and recognizes when to take the lanes. His 13 yard run to get LSU out of the EZ last week was hopefully the first of many.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:02 am to kew48
He just wants to throw and he’s still getting game experience. That instinct just isn’t there yet. It came more naturally to Jayden because he was so gifted with speed and agility.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 10:02 am to kew48
I understand not wanting to risk getting hurt, but as a D-1 athlete, you should be able to run 5-15 yards and slide without being scared of hurting yourself. It’s not like he’s got Zach Mettenberger’s speed.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:01 am to kew48
Cause if he gets hurt we're fricked 
Posted on 10/17/24 at 11:19 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It is the answer. We had to get a transfer who couldn’t start at Vanderbilt because we had a high school senior and Ricky Collins behind Nuss, and the Vandy transfer ain’t it either. They know there’s a huge drop off behind Nuss. Name another power 5 team with a bigger drop off.
I’m not familiar with all the 3 deeps at QB on other teams’ rosters. But who cares? Scared money don’t make money. Go all out to win. If Nuss gets hurt, oh well. It’d suck and our season would be practically over. But it’d be practically over if we lose a couple more games, and if his not running to pick up a couple 1st downs is the difference in us losing a close game or winning it, what the frick does it matter. Play balls to the wall and let the chips fall where they may. But don’t half arse anything and cut your nose off to spite your face because you’re worried about something that may not even happen.
Posted on 10/17/24 at 1:51 pm to Hot Carl
This is a reason most teams have a dedicated QB run play they throw in once in a while to keep defenses honest . Ole Miss runs it often.
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