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re: Offense still has work to do and thoughts on new offensive coordinator
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:33 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:33 am to Tiger Voodoo
In spite of your almost 100% accuracy, some will continue to talk about LSU football like it is the movie groundhog day.
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Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:39 am to Burt Reynolds
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Soon to be "wide open"
Keep dreaming
No kidding. I don't want "wide open". I love the balance we had in this game. Keep putting weekly wrinkles in this offense and lets go. Continue to bring Mett and the O along week by week. Let that massive Oline lean on the opposing defense to wear their arse out. Steady mix of pass to keep the D off balance. It was nice to see a variant of offensive plays out of the same formation instead of one singular play from one specific formation. Something so damn simple yet LSU hasn't done that in four years. If Cam keeps the yardage balance from the TCU game going, LSU is going to be tough. Clean up the ST and minor mistakes and LSU will be tough to beat...even with the ridiculously rough schedule.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:42 am to DrD
LSU probably had more passing yards between the hashes Saturday than since sometime during the Russell era.
That in and of itself was HUGE.
Everybody is going to have to commit a primary corner on Jarvo in the slot, so it is going to open up a LOT of things for whoever steps up to be the 3d WR.
That in and of itself was HUGE.
Everybody is going to have to commit a primary corner on Jarvo in the slot, so it is going to open up a LOT of things for whoever steps up to be the 3d WR.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 8:49 am to Tiger Voodoo
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There wasn't some huge change in our philosophy.
I didn't read all of your thread, but you are wrong. I guess you are partly correct by saying it wasn't a HUGE change, but there was a definite change from last year's run at all cost mentality to last Saturday's metality of "if they are going to stack the box, we are going to throw the football". I think we threw on first down more Saturday night than in any game last year. We also ran out of shotgun, very successfully. Last year we would usually line up in the I formation anytime we wanted to run, unless we brought in Michael Ford, but then the entire defense knew that we were going to run out of the shotgun.
A huge part of Mett's solid performance was that we didn't wait until 3rd and 8 to try and pass. We passed early in the set of downs. We ran more than simple slant routes, even though we did run many of those. We ran several plays out of the bunch formation, which we haven't run since Jimbo was here.
There was a definite difference to the offensive philosophy. We're still going to be run first, and I like that, but we will also look to take advantage of 9 defenders in the box, unlike last year.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:11 am to DrD
Why isn't the defense more of a talking point? Nobody is worried that we gave up 27 to TCU?
I'm not negatigering the game. I thought the team looked good. Just wondering if there's a good reason people aren't talking about the defense.
I'm not negatigering the game. I thought the team looked good. Just wondering if there's a good reason people aren't talking about the defense.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:11 am to Choupique19
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I think we threw on first down more Saturday night than in any game last year. We also ran out of shotgun, very successfully
So what? On our first 3 drives, we ran 10 first down plays, only 2 of which were throws.
It wasn't until halfway through the 2nd quarter when we began using throws on first down more consistently, and it still wasn't half. That was simply because Mett had showed that he could make the plays. In fact, he was having more success throwing than we were running, so we threw. Once he proved that he could make the plays, he was given more responsibility. That's how it works.
He wasn't able to do that as well last year in his first year as a starter and with much worse OL and WR play. But he still threw 3 of the first 4 first downs last year in our first game against a BCS opponent in Washington as well.
It's very simple. When the LSU coaching is confident that our QB can be relied upon and gives us the best chance to succeed, they will let them throw.
Again, it's not a change in philosophy, it's a recognizing the strengths of the team, and having the personnel that can actually execute a complete playbook.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 9:14 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:13 am to uway
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I thought the team looked good. Just wondering if there's a good reason people aren't talking about the defense.
KO Returns, and Fumble on the 6.
Only 250 yards allowed.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:15 am to uway
14 of the 27 points came off a kick return and blue's fumble.d looked fine.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:19 am to DrD
I'm mostly impressed by Metts pocket awareness and ability to escape when pressure was around. He looked a lot more poised and comfortable too.
I had a girl sitting close to me say he was terrible and bitching constantly about how he threw a few balls away and blah blah blah. I hate watching games with girls
I had a girl sitting close to me say he was terrible and bitching constantly about how he threw a few balls away and blah blah blah. I hate watching games with girls
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:19 am to Choupique19
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I didn't read all of your thread, but you are wrong. I guess you are partly correct by saying it wasn't a HUGE change, but there was a definite change from last year's run at all cost mentality to last Saturday's metality of "if they are going to stack the box, we are going to throw the football".
The philosophy is pretty much the same. We were 60/40 run/pass against TCU and last year we were right around 60/40 for the season. The difference was we couldn't execute as well in the passing game as we did this past weekend.
Cam being here made a huge difference though. His in game adjustments were a thing of beauty. To combat them stacking the box we ran a ton of delays and draws, which really opened up the running game. The linebackers had to bail out when we showed pass because we were so successful with it in the first half and that opened up huge holes for our RBs in the second half.
We should never give up on the run, but that subtle adjustment made all the difference in the ground game. An adjustment we never made in years past.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:23 am to mmcgrath
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It was a ton less conservative than we showed in the first few games last year.
We threw more early against Washington than we did early against TCU.
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And the running game improvement goes beyond the simple idea that now we have a "monstrous" o-line vs last year.
Well I was referring to the pass blocking of the OL, but you're actually wrong about the running game improvement.
Yes we ran for 200 yards, but if you take away Magee's 52 yard TD and OBJ's reverse, we had 46 carries for 128 yards. That's 2.78 yards a pop.
I'm not complaining because TCU was obviously selling out to stop the run, something Patterson always does well, but I'm not sure what you mean by "running game improvement"?
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I also saw that we targeted Landry more in the beginning
Absolutely agree. But he is now a proven starter in the SEC. He wasn't last year. He's also playing more slot now that Dural is on the field, whereas last year he had to play outside more. That is going to be one of the biggest changes in this O.
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I don't believe that QB's can be scarred for life by bad offensive schemes. The failure of the offense in late 2011 and early 2012 isn't the result of the boogeyman (Crowton).
Generally I don't think so either. But if you don't think Crowton's horrible schemes and the chaos Lee was consumed by in 08 and JJ in 09 rattled them long term, then we'll just agree to disagree.
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I agree to an extent, Crowton sucked as a teacher, but the talent at the position also sucked.
I don't think Lee and JJ were ever going to be All SEC QBs. But their early exposure under Crowton limited whatever success either of them could have hoped to have IMO.
Had Krag been our OC in 2008, do you really deny that Lee or JJ wouldn't have had better success than they did? Krag and Miles managed them to a remarkable season beyond any expectations. I'd love to have seen what could have been had they started under such instruction instead of what they got their first 3 years.
This post was edited on 9/3/13 at 9:34 am
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:24 am to Choupique19
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I think we threw on first down more Saturday night
I think we threw it 5 times on first Saturday.
last year against FL, of 17 first down plays we threw it 7 timws
We threw it on first 8 times last year against Bama.
I just looked at those two games, one where I knew we threw it pretty good, and one bad.
Running out of shotgun was different, as well as the bunch formations.
What was good, is we knew where our mismatches were and we went to them. That IMO is execution, not scheme.
I think we managed 1st and second down terribly, and we must not be forced into third and long so often, but again, we completed a lot of them and that points to execution being better.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:25 am to Rex
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I absolutely hate the tight formations inside the 10 yard line.
This!!
Lose the bunch formation and run out of the spread. We move the ball between the 20's then stall when we get inside the 10. That part of the offense looks exactly like what we've been seeing for years...and it doesn't work.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:25 am to EarthwormJim
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To combat them stacking the box we ran a ton of delays and draws, which really opened up the running game. The linebackers had to bail out when we showed pass because we were so successful with it in the first half and that opened up huge holes for our RBs in the second half.
100% agree.
That was exactly what I noticed on my rewatch as well. The draws were perfect because they were so afraid of Mett's passing by that point. Both Blue and Magee ripped off multiple big gains from draws out of shotgun or when we had 3 WR sets.
Things are going to be very very fun now that we have a passing game defenses have to respect.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:28 am to TigerTreyjpg
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Based on what I saw in game 1, the only thing that I saw that needs marked improvement is the catching of nicely thrown long balls.
Not to detract from those "nicely thrown" long balls(and they were good passes, don't get me wrong), but Mett and his WRs will get to even another level when he gets comfortable leading the receiver out with a little more air under the ball and having the receiver run to it. It's a fine adjustment, but one that will make him and his wideouts even more prime NFL material.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:28 am to xxKylexx
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First and foremost, it's crucial we remember that week one of the season is almost always the ugliest week of football. There was a lot of screw ups on our part that really kept TCU in the game.
This is true. Remember in 2011 vs Oregon how bad our passing offense was? Really our entire offense in the 1st half didn't look very good, but we passed for less than 100 yards for the entire game.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:31 am to uway
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Why isn't the defense more of a talking point? Nobody is worried that we gave up 27 to TCU?
Defense only gave up 256 yards. 1 TD was a KO return and 1 was off a fumble at our 6. And a Ferguson PF allowed a drive to continue for another TD.
Pretty good effort for such a young defense.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:32 am to uway
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Offense still has work to do and thoughts on new offensive coordinatorWhy isn't the defense more of a talking point? Nobody is worried that we gave up 27 to TCU? I'm not negatigering the game. I thought the team looked good. Just wondering if there's a good reason people aren't talking about the defense.
The D allowed 258 yards...did you seriously watch the game?
Posted on 9/3/13 at 9:39 am to DrD
Tiger Voodoo is right on. I've always trusted Miles, no matter how unpopular my opinion was. But it's not time for "I told you so."
Don't expect a lot of fancy screens and misdirection yet. We don't need those, and Miles and Cam will keep those in their back pockets til Bama comes along. It's no secret they've been practicing those types of plays all spring.
Don't expect a lot of fancy screens and misdirection yet. We don't need those, and Miles and Cam will keep those in their back pockets til Bama comes along. It's no secret they've been practicing those types of plays all spring.
Posted on 9/3/13 at 10:09 am to tigerfoot
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I think we threw it 5 times on first Saturday.
last year against FL, of 17 first down plays we threw it 7 timws
We threw it on first 8 times last year against Bama.
Good stat. What was the common denominator in those two games? We were trailing for a good portion of the game.
We were never trailing vs TCU, yet we still passed at a decent rate. Mettenberger attempted 22 passes in the first half Saturday. Last year he avergaed 27 attempts for the games.
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