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re: Oregon fall camp (all days): tidbits you should know (long)
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:18 am to ncg4forsure
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:18 am to ncg4forsure
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Down 4, with 3 minutes to go, do you feel confident in the guy? A lot more than last year?
I do think Jefferson is going to play much better this year, in fact it started at the end of last year, when it appeared there were other hands in the game planning - more I-formation, more deep balls, which culminated in the Cotton Bowl.
Whether he sustains it for a season, or even for a game when things aren't going well, we'll just have to wait for the season to find out.
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:28 am to bisonduck
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“We played a lot of people last year, so who’s to say that Ricky Heimuli wasn’t a starter or Taylor Hart wasn’t a starter ... and on and on and on,” defensive coordinator Nick Aliotti said. “They played in big games and played valuable downs.
That argument from you guys is getting old, Oregon's fans and media act like they are the only team that ever plays guys in the two-deep.
Here's what says Heimuli and Hart weren't starters last year, or anything near it:
Stats of the actual DT starters, Bair and Clark:
Tackles/TFL/Sacks
83/27.5/7
Stats of Heimuli and Hart:
Tackles/TFL/Sacks
27/3.0/2
Sure, 83=27, 27.5=3, 7=2.
I like your posts Bison, but there's some serious group-think going on in Oregon that you guys keep repeating that crap about the backups having as much experience as the starters. If it's true, they suck, because they have 1/3 the tackles, 1/9 the TFL, 1/3 the sacks.
Stupid argument.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 4:29 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:42 am to NorfolkVATiger
Just for comparison, here's LSU stats at DT, where we also lost both starters:
Nevis/Levingston:
81/15/6
Brockers/Downs:
35/3/1
You guys return the same number of TFL, and 1 more sack, than LSU does, from the next two
DTs. And your starting DT's last year put up better "impact" stats (TFL: 27/15, Sacks 7/6) than ours did.
As much as people talk about LSU's losses on the DL, your losses were bigger and your replacements didn't do any more than LSU's did last year.
Nevis/Levingston:
81/15/6
Brockers/Downs:
35/3/1
You guys return the same number of TFL, and 1 more sack, than LSU does, from the next two
DTs. And your starting DT's last year put up better "impact" stats (TFL: 27/15, Sacks 7/6) than ours did.
As much as people talk about LSU's losses on the DL, your losses were bigger and your replacements didn't do any more than LSU's did last year.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 4:48 am to NorfolkVATiger
You Sir have not a clue! It is a acclaimed #1 Offense that may have issues and troubles at the start of this year. But our Defense is going to even better then last years squad. What part of we rotated 25 guys all year long on regular rotation do you not get on D? Oregon used to get 2 star or maybe 3 star players on the D line. Now we are getting higher. The newer crops that are working their way up are much bigger/faster/better. Our D was 12th in the nation in points given up last year. LSU was 11th. We were only one place behind LSU, the team that had no O. And yet, if you even remotely followed UO football, we will be, and are looking like 2 notches better on D. All this attack and non understanding of our D is pathetic from LSU fans. Attack our Offense all day long, the #1 Offense in the land, who might indeed drop a few notches, but our D? You simply are a clueless moron to think our D will be weaker then last year. We will indeed be 2 notches better!!! Wait until September and see yourself ranter morons.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 4:50 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:01 am to DucksflyinPAC
If Oregon wins 20-10, who's job are you guys calling for more? Jj or miles'? For miles is a 10 point defeat acceptable to a top 5 team at a neutral site or should the mad hatter go?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:23 am to ncg4forsure
Your D might be better, but how much playing time did your third string Mlb get? Or the third cb on the depth chart? You won't have your full D. And I have a feeling any wins from last year and this year Oregon gets and gots are going to be in jeopardy anyway once this Willie lyles stuff gets sorted out. Weird how DT, LMJ, and even CSkunk happen to be the ones involved....
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:50 am to bojabu
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Your D might be better, but how much playing time did your third string Mlb get? Or the third cb on the depth chart? You won't have your full D. And I have a feeling any wins from last year and this year Oregon gets and gots are going to be in jeopardy anyway once this Willie lyles stuff gets sorted out. Weird how DT, LMJ, and even CSkunk happen to be the ones involved....
Lache has never played a down for Oregon so any concern of forfieting previous games is out the window.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 2:52 pm to bojabu
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And I have a feeling any wins from last year and this year Oregon gets and gots are going to be in jeopardy anyway once this Willie lyles stuff gets sorted out. Weird how DT, LMJ, and even CSkunk happen to be the ones involved....
Darron Thomas has no role in the Lyles "scandal" and even though James and Lyles have a strong relationship the timing of the payments suggests that Lyles old company was still being paid when James committed, rather than Lyles himself.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:05 pm to NorfolkVATiger
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That argument from you guys is getting old, Oregon's fans and media act like they are the only team that ever plays guys in the two-deep.
Here's what says Heimuli and Hart weren't starters last year, or anything near it:
Stats of the actual DT starters, Bair and Clark:
Tackles/TFL/Sacks
83/27.5/7
Stats of Heimuli and Hart:
Tackles/TFL/Sacks
27/3.0/2
Sure, 83=27, 27.5=3, 7=2.
I like your posts Bison, but there's some serious group-think going on in Oregon that you guys keep repeating that crap about the backups having as much experience as the starters. If it's true, they suck, because they have 1/3 the tackles, 1/9 the TFL, 1/3 the sacks.
Stupid argument.
I believe the difference here is the number of snaps our defense plays. Our defense probably played two extra snaps worth of games - that might even be conservative not looking at the numbers. Heimuli was 5th in the rotation at DT last year. So, I'd look at Keliikipi and Hart as the DT combo.
Likewise, Keliikipi and Heimuli were freshman last year that got increasing snaps at the season went on.
Also, I don't expect production from Heimuli. He is a NT in the truest sense, which we were trying to use 270 pound Zac Clark in last year.
That is the thing: last year we had a 240 pound drop end in Rowe and two 270 DT. The reason I believe talk a leap in effectiveness is that we have total versatility with the returning spots.
Jordan: He can play SDE or WDE
Remington: NT, DT or DE in the 3-4
Heimuli: true NT that we didn't have last year
Keliikipi: DT, NT, SDE, or end in the 3-4
Hanna: drop end
Ebert: DT or end in the 3-4
Washington: drop end, WDE, or SDE
Hart: he is going to our 2nd best DT and maybe our best SDE because he is pushing Turner in the ones right now. End in the 3-4
Turner: SDE or end in the 3-4.
This group of linemen is going cause schematic fits for opposing offenses. The versatility is crazy. Likewise, 6 guys last year saw regular rotation.
Bair and Clark were asked to do more than should've been required.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:09 pm to bojabu
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Your D might be better, but how much playing time did your third string Mlb get? Or the third cb on the depth chart?
Due to Cliff Harris's antics, the 3rd string CB played a lot. haha
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:13 pm to JDubOregon
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Due to Cliff Harris's antics, the 3rd string CB played a lot. haha
As a side note but related: Most LSU fans do not know that Cliff Harris was our 3rd string CB until midway through the season. That just shows how deep we are at CB.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:16 pm to DucksflyinPAC
They can underestimate our dbs but T. Mitch is the real deal. I feel good about him at 6'0" 189 as well. He Gildon provide much better support. I think we play Patterson a lot too: very physical and fast.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:27 pm to bisonduck
T. Mitch and Patterson are the real deal. It was fortunate we were able to use some redshirts last year.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 5:35 pm to bisonduck
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They can underestimate our dbs but T. Mitch is the real deal. I feel good about him at 6'0" 189 as well. He Gildon provide much better support. I think we play Patterson a lot too: very physical and fast.
I chuckle every time some LSU fan who does not have a clue about UO's team thinks because we are missing All American Cliffy, that we will be hurting at CB for this game. We are so loaded at CB that it should be illegal.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 6:13 pm to JJ27
No, I caught that part. Your post still doesn't make sense
Posted on 8/14/11 at 12:19 pm to JJ27
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lso, the biggest key that isn't being talked about is LSU's conditioning. Practicing in 100+ degrees with 90-100% humidity for a month before this game will be a huge advantage for LSU.
True, only if the team can rebound from the physical drain in the weeks prior to the Oregon game.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 2:24 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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They are so loaded
You don't have a clue, If your team is loaded I wonder how I might describe LSU to you. I guess the best way is play and watch.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 2:26 pm to Swampcat
Loaded secondaries aren't exactly going to decide this game.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 3:26 pm to bisonduck
I'm by no means sold on Gildon as a full time starter. He got beat like a drum in the rose bowl, and Tennessee was lighting him up last year before we put cliff in to "lock shite down."
Posted on 8/14/11 at 3:33 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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We are so loaded at CB that it should be illegal.
Would you trade yours for ours ?
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