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re: Ranking the BCS Controversies
Posted on 8/3/08 at 5:09 pm to Zamoro10
Posted on 8/3/08 at 5:09 pm to Zamoro10
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As for Auburn that team was nice...nothing spectacular. I don't think its fair when any team doesn't get a shot but like Miami-Nebraska, it wouldn't have made a difference...so who cares.
2004 Auburn would have beaten 2004 USC, or at the very least keep it close. If you think we would have gotten blown out like Oklahoma did you are dead wrong.
And for the record, 2001 Miami would have beaten 2004 USC as well.
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While 2004 USC blew everyone out as well and had to close calls; 23-17 against #7 Cal and a close score (not game) against archival UCLA. That 2004 USC NO DOUBT team had it all.
Blew out everyone? What are you talking about? You had close games against Virginia Tech, California, UCLA, Stanford, and Oregon State.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 5:14 pm
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Posted on 8/3/08 at 6:07 pm to GoBigOrange86
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seeing Florida get in with 1 loss and LSU with 2 only a couple years later would make me even more irate.
irrelevant, there were 3 undefeated teams in 2004, one has to be left out in the BCS system. If WVU had beaten Pitt, they would have been playing tOSU and not LSU.
LSU and Florida made it to the BCSCG with help from other teams losing, Auburn did not get that help.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 6:38 pm to Ross
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2004 Auburn would have beaten 2004 USC, or at the very least keep it close. If you think we would have gotten blown out like Oklahoma did you are dead wrong.
Maybe another day, but not that day in Miami.
"I've never seen a team play so perfect in all phases of the game offense, defense and special teams." (Paraphrase) Lee Corso
Still I agree that it is never fair when a team doesn't get a shot. What did you guys in was your early crappy OOC schedule...you guys didn't start climbing in the polls until after the cupcakes were vanquished. Stewart Mandel claims that your SOS was the culprit.
BTW, please whip Bama; I've always rooted for Auburn over Bama.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 6:39 pm to Zamoro10
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BTW, please whip Bama; I've always rooted for Auburn over Bama.
You rock!
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What did you guys in was your early crappy OOC schedule...you guys didn't start climbing in the polls until after the cupcakes were vanquished. Stewart Mandel claims that your SOS was the culprit.
Well to be honest, we scheduled Bowling Green. They ditched us for Oklahoma, and we were left with the Citadel.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 7:27 pm to Ross
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2004 USC had close games against: A game they should have lost against Virginia Tech (10-3), a six point win over a good California team (10-2), an eight point win over a mediocre Oregon State(7-5), a game that they won by five points against a very bad UCLA team (6-6), and a three point win over a horrible Stanford (4-7).
Compare that with AU who beat the hell out of every team they played in the SEC and had a DOUBLE DIGIT lead in the 4th quarter of EVERY GAME but 1 against LSU including the SECCG and the same Va Tech team that should have beaten USC and what you would have had is AU SPANKING that USC arse in 2004 in a bowl game. Like this:
Posted on 8/3/08 at 7:34 pm to Zamoro10
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Maybe another day, but not that day in Miami.
Seriously, that would have been a game for the ages and one of the best NC matchups ever. Do not underestimate 2004 AU. That was probably the best team in AU history and they were on cruise control after the third quarter protecting sizable leads every game but one. Many thought AU might struggle in the Sugar Bowl against a VERY good VT game after getting screwed so hard. AU did not play their best game of the year, but they were in total control that game and very late fourth quarter td's against AU's prevent made it look like VT was in the game when they generally were not.
And IF AU had been playing USC in Miami, AU would have been on the absolute top of their game as USC was. It would have been an awesome game. As good as any including USC-TX in 2005.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 7:51 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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And IF AU had been playing USC in Miami, AU would have been on the absolute top of their game as USC was. It would have been an awesome game. As good as any including USC-TX in 2005
Well who knows, I'm just going on my gut feeling after watching both teams all year and USC's track record against SEC teams (and no I am not saying because we easily beat you guys the previous two years is the reason we would easily beat you a third time; different years.) I just think that USC 2004 team had a great offense and a great defense unlike the 2005 team which had an amazing offense but no defense. I just think nobody coached better in bowl games than Norm Chow.
Still, I totally understand the frustration of going undefeated and not being recognized. I hated when Penn St. whipped everyone in 94 with Kerry Collins, Ki-Jana Carter and Kyle Brady but the pollsters thought Dr. Tom was going to retire so they leapfrogged Nebraska over Penn St. the final week in the polls to give him his national title. Of course, he stuck around and had that great team the next year in 95.
I do remember at halftime of the Orange Bowl the announces saying "can we get Auburn to come out the second-half."
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 7:56 pm to Ross
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How about a six team playoff, with the #1 and #2 getting a BYE week, then after that first week, its down to four, and you just continue from there.
4 team at MOST.
Or simply not have a formal playoff at all, instead making everyone play against conference champs in the BCS bowls similar to now and THEN decide who plays for the title.
I just can't understand the lovefest for a playoff by some. It doesn't really solve any of the "problems" of the BCS, it simply sweeps it under the rug.
Unless the problem you are looking to solve is heated debate.
fricking commie.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 8:29 pm to Zamoro10
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"can we get Auburn to come out the second-half."
That '94 Penn State team got screwed just as bad as '04 AU.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:06 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Va Tech team that should have beaten
I understand your frustration, but ya'll really got to quit with this idea that VT "should" have beaten USC. They lost by 11, that's more that 2 scores. USC had a habit of pulling games out during that season and the next, so even if the call goes VT's way, you have no idea how they would have responded.
The Irony of Auburn fans, on an LSU board griping about how a bad call cost VT a game they lost by 11 is thick. LSU may have been your only close game, but if USC should have lost to VT, you should have lost to us. Call it even.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The Irony of Auburn fans, on an LSU board griping about how a bad call cost VT a game they lost by 11 is thick. LSU may have been your only close game, but if USC should have lost to VT, you should have lost to us. Call it even.
I really don't have much of a choice on an LSU Board but to admit we should have lost to LSU. Because, if I say we shouldn't have, I will get ripped a new one by the LSU fans with bad blood.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:35 pm to Ross
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I will get ripped a new one by the LSU fans with bad blood.
Don't be a pussy
We had our chances to beat you guy's in both 04 and 06, (just like you had chances to beat us in 05 and 07) Even with the non calls in 06, I think we should have won, we just didn't play with any urgency. Fans that blame the refs are just whiners, LSU lost because we didn't make enough plays, simple as that. However, if you are going to claim USC would have lost to VT in 2004(who they beat 24-13) because of a bad call you are a gianormous hypocrite if you don't apply the same logic to the LSU-Auburn game that same year (that you won 10-9) after that call on the last PAT, no matter whose board you are on.
This post was edited on 8/3/08 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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However, if you are going to claim USC would have lost to VT in 2004(who they beat 24-13) because of a bad call you are a gianormous hypocrite if you don't apply the same logic to the LSU-Auburn game that same year (that you won 10-9) after that call on the last PAT, no matter whose board you are on.
Fine, I'll admit it.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 11:15 pm to usc6158
quote:Agreed. What sucks about it is that we were good enough to beat anybody in the country but didn't get the job done when it was required. I've no problem with a 2 loss LSU getting in over anybody last season, including us.
If you don't win your division and you can't beat Stanford at home, don't bitch about getting left out.
You have to TCB against everybody and we didn't, bottom line.
Thank God redemption is around the corner.
Posted on 8/4/08 at 1:29 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:You're talking about the 2006 season. I'm talking about 2007, in which LSU won the national title.
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Without the BCS, USC would also be the 2007 national champion after beating the shite out of #1 Ohio State in the Rose Bowl.
Nope, the reason they didn't play tOSU in the BCS CG in Tempe is because they had 2 loses. Florida moved up to #2 in both polls, and Michigan with only was 1 loss was also ahead of USC. Good chance Michigan plays Florida in the Sugar Bowl under the old pre BCS/BA system. After USC beats tOSU in Rose Bowl at 3 CST, the winner of the Sugar Bowl would be the MNC.
Posted on 8/4/08 at 1:30 am to Ross
quote:Fixed.
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Auburn getting screwed out of the NC was the best controversy.
I am still mad about how that whole thing played out, and it was 24 years ago.
Posted on 8/4/08 at 1:30 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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would have had is AU SPANKING that USC arse in 2004 in a bowl game
Posted on 8/4/08 at 1:32 am to loweralabamatrojan
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TCB
Posted on 8/4/08 at 5:53 am to xiv
I believe that the only somewhat perfect way to handle the situation would tailor each post season after the regular season and conference championships were played. Have a committee of 9 respectable and unbiased (if that is even possible) people (call it the "supreme court of college football") talk it out together and vote on whether college football needs 1 game to sort it between the best two teams (see 2005 USC/Texas and 2002 Miami/OSU) or have a four team playoff (plus 1) to sort it out (see 2000,2003,2004,2006, and 2007).
Under this system the college football regular season would still retain nearly all of its exciting 3 month long drama and (hopefully) nobody would be too screwed in the end.
And as for the computer argument, there is no way you can explain to me how certain computers that are part of the BCS system (last season after the conference champioship games) ranked 11-2 OU below 11-2 Missouri even after OU beat Mizzou TWICE!!!
Under this system the college football regular season would still retain nearly all of its exciting 3 month long drama and (hopefully) nobody would be too screwed in the end.
And as for the computer argument, there is no way you can explain to me how certain computers that are part of the BCS system (last season after the conference champioship games) ranked 11-2 OU below 11-2 Missouri even after OU beat Mizzou TWICE!!!
This post was edited on 8/4/08 at 6:09 am
Posted on 8/4/08 at 11:40 am to xiv
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You're talking about the 2006 season. I'm talking about 2007
ah, i misread that, my bad.
In 2007, no way does LSU win the MNC without the BCS, so it may very well have been USC, it would have been a cluster-frick, possibly a split title, depending on the other bowl match-ups.
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