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re: Saban outcoached?
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:30 pm to Geaux Shaggy
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:30 pm to Geaux Shaggy
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no point in trying to back track now, Bama was winning late in 4th quarter not LSU.
I'll stand by my statement.....
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Bama accounted for 200 more yards than LSU. Yes they could not score but you saw a completely different Bama team than the one in first half. They tried to catch LSU off guard early in game by throwing the ball, Saban realized that did not work and changed game plan.
Two weeks to prepare....horrible officiating....and they won by 9.
And since we're being so technical on words...we may have been slightly outcoached....
It has nothing to do w/ Saban....it's just comical that everyone thinks he is so much better.
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:31 pm to LSUBlake8
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It has nothing to do w/ Saban....it's just comical that everyone thinks he is so much better.
I do think he is a better coach, not light years better but he is better. Nothing wrong with that it is not like Les is second coming of Curley
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:43 pm to Geaux Shaggy
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Nothing wrong with that it is not like Les is second coming of Curley
I would not be so sure of that. How many games into the season is it? And yet there continues to be false start after false start, players looking to the sidelines for direction almost every snap, totally confused, terrible play calling since game one and not geting any better, misuse of the truely talented players
Cant remeber which guy on defense was having a career game in the first half with some 6 tackles and never saw the field in the second. How about Riley after his touchdown run, just vanished, and again with his second down run, then or course Bo(I mean Les), what did he do on third? You guessed it ran him straight up the middle for nothing. Could go on all night but he is not worth it. Just hope LSU just keeps getting naturally talented players for the teams sake.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 7:46 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:47 pm to Geaux Shaggy
FWIW....Saban and Miles are both good coaches. How long is this pissing contest gonna go on as to who is the better one. Saban's at Bama, he ain't leaving to go back to LSU and Miles ain't leaving to go to Meatchicken! He is smart enough to know the Big 11 is a boring league that couldn't hold the SEC's jock.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:48 pm to lsu mike
Miles damn near beat number 2, coming off a bye-week, on the road, with his starting QB, RB, CB, TE, and LB all hurt. even with that it took the officials to ice it for saban. Miles was the better coach that day and theres no doubt in my mind about it.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:53 pm to MastrShake
I honestly think that Miles outcoached himself. What in the hell was we doing trying to block a punt after the Defense did there job and was getting us the ball back with plenty of time on the clock 
Things went down hill from there. He outcoached himself on that one.
Things went down hill from there. He outcoached himself on that one.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:58 pm to LSUBlake8
quote:SEC record:
It has nothing to do w/ Saban....it's just comical that everyone thinks he is so much better.
Miles 27-12 (.692)
Saban 48-16 (.750)
I don't think the gap will close anytime soon. Miles will approach .625 while Saban will approach .875.
*Regular season record with a win added for each SEC title.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:06 pm to LSUballs
I thought both teams had great coaching. Some of the weak stuff (LOS penalties, etc.) can be explained on our side to an extent. Playing a road game with a young QB, and there really weren't that many. Julio Jones' bonehead play more than made up for our penalties.
Saban did not adjust at halftime, IMO. Their plan all along was to come out pass-happy and try to really loosen up the box for the 2nd half, when a fresh combo of Ingram and Richardson could bang on our pass-conscious and winded front 7. Good plan, as long as we don't get far ahead, which we didn't. Saban knew they wouldn't be able to just come out and shove it down our throat without setting up the run. Our DL wasn't nearly as good at shedding run blocks after rushing the passer for a half. It was a good plan that worked.
Our plan was sound as well. We really mixed it up well, creative formations without getting out of our comfort zone. We had them a bit worn out and off balance. And just when it was starting to pay off, Jefferson and then Scott got hurt. Once Scott was out and Bama got the lead, Saban turned their D into the blitz party and Lee couldn't handle it. Simple as that.
Saban did not adjust at halftime, IMO. Their plan all along was to come out pass-happy and try to really loosen up the box for the 2nd half, when a fresh combo of Ingram and Richardson could bang on our pass-conscious and winded front 7. Good plan, as long as we don't get far ahead, which we didn't. Saban knew they wouldn't be able to just come out and shove it down our throat without setting up the run. Our DL wasn't nearly as good at shedding run blocks after rushing the passer for a half. It was a good plan that worked.
Our plan was sound as well. We really mixed it up well, creative formations without getting out of our comfort zone. We had them a bit worn out and off balance. And just when it was starting to pay off, Jefferson and then Scott got hurt. Once Scott was out and Bama got the lead, Saban turned their D into the blitz party and Lee couldn't handle it. Simple as that.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:10 pm to Geaux Shaggy
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Saban adjusted at halftime
Les did not
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:15 pm to LSUBrown
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Saban did not adjust at halftime, IMO.
:sigh:
Watch the game again. Adjustments were clearly made. jeesh!
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Saban turned their D into the blitz party and Lee couldn't handle it. Simple as that.
Except when he completed passes only to have his O-line get penalties and Miles stupidly going for 2, which directly caused a two-score deficit w/ 3 minutes to go. Which made LSU one-dimensional, which JJ, or JL are not exactly great at considering our porous O-line.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:26 pm to DP40
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Watch the game again. Adjustments were clearly made. jeesh!
If you read any postgame comments from Saban, you would know that this was part of their plan. Do you really think Saban, with a Heisman candidate RB and a great run-blocking OL, planned to pass all day against our secondary? Do you not think the extreme success they had running the ball in the 3rd and 4th quarter was set up by what happened in the 1st half? This is not rocket science.
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Except when he completed passes only to have his O-line get penalties and Miles stupidly going for 2, which directly caused a two-score deficit w/ 3 minutes to go.
The 2 point conversion, I could see it either way. At that point in the game, points sure looked hard to come by. You can't make these decisions in hindsight, but I would generally agree that 2 pt tries shouldn't happen until 4th quarter. But I would venture a guess that a lot of coaches would have rolled the dice in that situation.
It's a stretch to say that DIRECTLY caused a two score deficit. There were THREE Bama scores between our two pt fail and the end of the game. If we had 17 pts, you have no idea how that might've affected bama's play-calling and decisions.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:31 pm to LSUBlake8
How 'bout not having ONE timeout left in the second half with 11+ minutes left to go in the fourth quarter???........I "question" that along with many other coaching blunders.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:33 pm to LSUBrown
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If you read any postgame comments from Saban, you would know that this was part of their plan. Do you really think Saban, with a Heisman candidate RB and a great run-blocking OL, planned to pass all day against our secondary?
:sigh: Good grief, no.
Did LSU plan to pass their way to victory? No.
Adjustments are more than just run or pass, but how you do it. They attacked LSU from the start of the 2nd. Our D inexplicably quit blitzing for the most part in the 2nd. Probably because of Bama's strategy change.
The 2-pt conversion attempt was bad on soooooo many levels, but tards want to compare LSU to the NFL....explains alot, really.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:37 pm to puttytat
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How 'bout not having ONE timeout left in the second half with 11+ minutes left to go in the fourth quarter???
I guess there will be no slack cut when the backup QB goes in and you're playing on the road against the No. 3 team in the country? Ok then.. Remember, Lee inexplicably took one of those on a fricking 3rd and 25. I guess that's Miles' fault too.
Look, if you experts want to turn over every stone and find every 20/20 hindsight nugget, go right ahead.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:52 pm to TigerBait1127
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Saban was still fricking stupid for throwing the ball the whole 1st half
Correct. Saban's gameplan to attack LSU through the air did not work. And because of it, he found his team down in the 4th quarter. He continually put the ball in the hands of his worst player even after his team took the lead (see PP int).
If LSU makes a play at the end of the game to win rather than Alabama, EVERYONE is talking about how Miles and co. outcoached Saban.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:55 pm to moneyg
Saban can also teach freshman how to line up in the proper position and not have 39 false starts.
Saban also doesnt have his most talented running back on the bench
Saban also doesnt have his most talented running back on the bench
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:06 pm to Mmorsey
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Saban can also teach freshman how to line up in the proper position and not have 39 false starts.
Can he teach his team to not have 12 men in the huddle on a critical 3rd and goal from the 2 yard line?
Can he teach his defense to be set prior to the offensive snap multiple times?
Would Saban have Ingram on the field if he had no skins on the wall and was barely 7 months from an ACL reconstruction surgery?
And, I'm very impressed that over the course of the season that Saban's team has 2 fewer penalties than LSU. That difference is evident.
shite happens...even to good coaches. The atmosphere, noise level, and defensive pressure all lead to errors. It happens.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:06 pm to TX Tiger
quote:I think Miles coached an ok game. I agree with others, that it was the players who gave their blood and sweat to bring the game to Bama and almost got it until the striped flag-throwers got into the act. But even with LSU leading going into the 4th quarter, I think what we saw in red jerseys was the product of Saban's extreme focus and will to win, which translated into a tougher-minded Alabama team than LSU was down the stretch. Miles is no SOB. Saban is.
Please respond if you think Miles outcoached Saban on Saturday
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:13 pm to TX Tiger
Its hard to compare since 3 of our key players got knocked out of the game, not to mention the ones that werent dressed before the game.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:21 pm to LSUballs
You're a fricking idiot if you think Miles got out coached. We lost our starting QB, RB, and MLB. And, our best cover corner was battling cramps (which anyone in the medical field knows that it is not completely due to conditioning--it could be an electrolyte balance, dehydration, etc. etc.). We also got fricked by the refs.
If we don't lose all those valued starters -- we win.
If we don't get fricked by the refs -- we have a great shot at winning.
Miles called a good game, and you retards need to realize that he has done just as much for this program as Saban. Saban is a great coach, but Miles deserves some fricking respect because he is just as good as Saban...realize that and deal with it. Quit acting like the ex-girlfriend and realize that the "relationship" is over!!
If we don't lose all those valued starters -- we win.
If we don't get fricked by the refs -- we have a great shot at winning.
Miles called a good game, and you retards need to realize that he has done just as much for this program as Saban. Saban is a great coach, but Miles deserves some fricking respect because he is just as good as Saban...realize that and deal with it. Quit acting like the ex-girlfriend and realize that the "relationship" is over!!
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