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re: Tell me more about LSU
Posted on 12/8/10 at 9:12 am to aggiegirl2005
Posted on 12/8/10 at 9:12 am to aggiegirl2005
My fraternity was founded at VMI and our chapter visited there about 10 years ago. I can tell you this, that place is hardcore. One of the guys in our chapter was a Marine and he was pretty astonished. We were only there for a few hours, but you could tell that things were taken very serious there. The freshmen are called Rats, and they are constantly hazed, or "ratted". They have to walk a straight line to every building called the "rat line". They cannot leave their barracks unless they are in formal attire, except for PT. I'm not sure exactly when, around 2000 i think, but they had their first female cadet at VMI. Apparently there was a lawsuit for discrimination about funding and they forced VMI to let her in. She was a transfer from the citadel and came in as a junior. The next year when she graduated the entire class stood up and turned their backs to her instead of saluting because she was never a Rat with them. I don't think A&M is quite that hardcore.
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Posted on 12/8/10 at 9:44 am to aggiegirl2005
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Tell me more about LSU
We like to fight amongst ourselves.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 9:59 am to geaux88
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IS an LSU hero,
It's difficult for me to agree with that, given the fact that he made war on La. and LSU. Not only that, but, his pillage and burn policy prosecuted against purely non-military homes, property and people were legally questionable back then AND, without a doubt, War Crimes under current interpretation of international law.
So, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
FINALLY, is Sherman's name or likeness prominently featured on the LSU campus today? No.
As such, it's logical to conclude that YOUR opinion on the matter is in the minority.
This post was edited on 12/8/10 at 10:03 am
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:04 am to vl100butch
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the tank could be the WT Sherman Memorial Tank...
I await the results of your constructive proposal. I expect the fans of Gen Sherman to make that happen very soon.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:06 am to Champagne
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FINALLY, is Sherman's name or likeness prominently featured on the LSU campus today? No.
As such, it's logical to conclude that YOUR opinion on the matter is in the minority.
actually, i think the vast majority couldn't give a damn either way!!!
that being said...the cornerstone for the original LSU building is mounted in front of the memorial tower....with the name of WT Sherman prominently displayed...the plaques on the bronze rifles (and they aren't Napoleons, which were smoothbores) in front of the ROTC building...
what irritates the hell out of me is Rapheal Semmes Drive and Kirby-Smith Hall for naming stuff on campus...
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:14 am to vl100butch
OK, then, Sherman's name is appropriately recognized on the LSU campus, and, this closes the debate on this particular issue.
Thanks.
AND, most high thanks for more details on the guns outside the LSU ROTC building. They are rifles and not smoothbore.
I wonder how sure we can be that they actually fired on Ft. Sumter during the opening shots of that war? If true, that would make these items very rare and historically significant.
Thanks.
AND, most high thanks for more details on the guns outside the LSU ROTC building. They are rifles and not smoothbore.
I wonder how sure we can be that they actually fired on Ft. Sumter during the opening shots of that war? If true, that would make these items very rare and historically significant.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:23 am to Champagne
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OK, then, Sherman's name is appropriately recognized on the LSU campus, and, this closes the debate on this particular issue.
Thanks.
AND, most high thanks for more details on the guns outside the LSU ROTC building. They are rifles and not smoothbore.
I wonder how sure we can be that they actually fired on Ft. Sumter during the opening shots of that war? If true, that would make these items very rare and historically significant.
I don't agree that the debate is closed...keep in mind that the ROTC building is nameless and will probably remain so...
as far as the provenance of the artillery pieces, that's a good question...there is a school of thought that claims that one of the Boyd's bought the two fieldpieces...
something that in all these years that i've never paid close attention to is looking at the front of the barrel to see the year of fabrication....there is writing there, just never taked a REALLY close look at it....
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:32 am to vl100butch
Because of Sherman's scorched earth policy my ancestors packed up and left Georgia after the Civil War and moved to Louisiana. Just think I could have been a Georgia Dawg 
Thank you Sherman 
Thank you Sherman This post was edited on 12/8/10 at 10:38 am
Posted on 12/8/10 at 10:44 am to vl100butch
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In 1886 Sherman helped the University acquire the use of the Pentagon Barracks, lo-cated where the State Capitol grounds are to-day. Largely through his influence, Congress transferred to LSU the UMVC, LSU Libraries, Baton Rouge, LA United States Military Post at Baton Rouge. Sherman also arranged for the procurement of two brass cannons from historic Fort Sumter. Today they are located in front of the military building on the present campus.
From the same link:
(Referring to the downtown BR campus)
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The Old War Skule (Taken from the 1896-97 Catalogue of the Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College)
The site of the University is historic ground; over it hovers the romance of the struggles of the Great Powers for supremacy in the Mississippi Valley. These extensive grounds and splendid buildings, the princely gift of our national government, were occupied successively by the armed battalions of France, England, Spain, and America.
Here in 1779, Galvez, the Spanish Governor of Louisiana, after three days' battle, captured the British garrison under Colonel Dickinson.
Here, in 1810, Philemon Thomas, with his mixed band of pinewoods men and Ohio flatboat men, captured the Spanish post, killing Grandpre, its commander, and wresting West Florida from Spain.
Here nearly every prominent officer in the United States Army since the Revolution did duty. Wilkinson and the first Wade Hampton, Revolutionary heroes, commanded here, as did afterwards Gaines and Taylor, heroes of the War of 1812.
Here Winfield Scott, the conqueror of Mexico, saw his first service as lieutenant of artillery.
Here Lafayette was received by the military and citizens in 1824, and Andrew Jackson later.
Here was the home of Zachary Taylor, hero of Buena Vista, and President of the United States, and of his brilliant son, "Dick," the distinguished Con-federate general.
Here, in 1861, the Louisiana State Guard, before the secession of Louisiana, took the garrison and the arsenal, with all their munitions of war, from the United States troops.
Here, in 1862, General Breckinridge, command-ing the Confederates, fought a desperate battle with the Union army and navy under Williams and Farragut. Williams was killed, and the Confederate ram, Arkansas, was blown up in full view.
These grounds were trodden by Grant and Lee, Sherman and "Stonewall" Jackson; by McClellan and the Johnstons, Bragg and Rosecrans; by Longstreet and Harney, George H. Thomas and Beauregard; by Forest and Phil. Sheridan, Hardee and Hood; by Hancock and Custer, Admiral Porter and Bishop-General Polk; and by the great civilians, Clay and Calhoun, Abraham Lincoln and Jefferson Davis.
"Loose thy shoe from off thy foot, for the place whereon thou standeth is holy.";
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With the entry of the United States into World War I in April 1917, almost the entire LSU Cadet Corps volunteered. A regi-ment was designated as "The Louisiana Cadets." A former LSU student, General John A. Lejeune, was the first commander of a Marine Corps combat division and later became Comman-dant of the United States Marine Corps. Another outstanding LSU cadet of this era was General Campbell B. Hodges. After World War I, he went on to serve as Commandant of the Cadets at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and as military adviser to President Herbert Hoover. (He returned to his alma mater, LSU, as President from 1941-44).
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During World War II, LSU was one of the top four schools producing officers for the U.S. Armed Forces. (The other schools were Texas A&M, West Point, and An-napolis). LSU had more than 5,000 former students serving as officers, including 16 who achieved the rank of Brigadier Gen-eral or higher. In all, 12,000 individuals from LSU served, and over 500 died in this great conflict.
LSU Army ROTC Website
Posted on 12/8/10 at 11:05 am to snake56
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My fraternity was founded at VMI and our chapter visited there about 10 years ago. I can tell you this, that place is hardcore. One of the guys in our chapter was a Marine and he was pretty astonished. We were only there for a few hours, but you could tell that things were taken very serious there. The freshmen are called Rats, and they are constantly hazed, or "ratted". They have to walk a straight line to every building called the "rat line". They cannot leave their barracks unless they are in formal attire, except for PT. I'm not sure exactly when, around 2000 i think, but they had their first female cadet at VMI. Apparently there was a lawsuit for discrimination about funding and they forced VMI to let her in. She was a transfer from the citadel and came in as a junior. The next year when she graduated the entire class stood up and turned their backs to her instead of saluting because she was never a Rat with them. I don't think A&M is quite that hardcore.
I remember that lawsuit...I was in high school but that story sticks out.
They call their freshman "fish" not "rats" at A&M. The Corps is pretty bad about hazing - you saw the most random shite at times. They get in trouble for it all the time.
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The Corps is pretty separate in many ways from the rest of the campus and I think the University is hesitant to meddle in their affairs, but they're going to face a major lawsuit sooner or later I bet.
Didn't realize Sherman was such a HUGE topic for LSU. That's actually kind of cool - a lot of passion for such a historical subject.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 12:49 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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It was Sherman who donated the cannons that are in front of the Military Science building. Those are Ames Napoleon cannons, and they were two of the cannons used to fire on Fort Sumter.
Damn! After a twenty year absense, I got to visit LSU at last year's homecoming and missed visiting the MS Bldg. That would have been a blessing.
I won't make that mistake next visit.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 1:12 pm to Woverw
We'll drink you under the table aggiegirl, anytime anywhere. The fans at LSU are the reason we kick arse. The players feed off of our greatness. 
Posted on 12/8/10 at 1:26 pm to aggiegirl2005
I'm not looking through this entire thread, but did she ever post pics?
Posted on 12/8/10 at 1:28 pm to aggiegirl2005
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I've never been in Hill but I remember the building looked very old.
You may be thinking of another building. The Hill Memorial Library is relatively new compared with the rest of the campus. I couldn't find any information on the LSU website, so this is from memory. I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong.
There was a building in the spot where Hill is now. It was demolished and Hill was erected. I am guessing the time was in the late 70s or early 80s. I mean the 1970-80s, not 1870-80. It is in the style of some older buildings, but it is new compared to some of the other buildings--those around the quad for instance.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 2:09 pm to wrlakers
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There was a building in the spot where Hill is now. It was demolished and Hill was erected. I am guessing the time was in the late 70s or early 80s. I mean the 1970-80s, not 1870-80. It is in the style of some older buildings, but it is new compared to some of the other buildings--those around the quad for instance.
No, it's the same building, it was just massively renovated in the early 80's to add air-conditioning.
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1926: The present LSU campus – referred to as the “Greater University”- was dedicated. Hill was hailed by the Baton Rouge newspaper State Times as “one of the most modern and well equipped institutions of the kind in the South today,” (special “dedication” edition of April 30, 1926). Designed to serve 3,000 students, the library had the capacity for 60,000 volumes.
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1958: Approximately 600,000 volumes and two million archival and manuscript items were moved from Hill on motorized conveyor belts to the newly-completed LSU Library. The new building had space for one million volumes on 22 miles of shelves. The LSU Library opened on September 12.
1959: The architecture department, psychology clinic, and LSU Press moved into the renovated and renamed Hill Memorial Building. LSU Library’s photo duplication department and storage for infrequently used items remained at Hill.
1960s-1970s: Hill was continuously used for various offices, storage, and LSU Library’s photo duplication department.
1977: The Library Long Range Planning Committee began planning for renovating Hill into a special collections library that would house rare books, the Louisiana Collection, and the Department of Archives and Manuscripts.
1983: Renovations began, including installation of climate control and fire suppression systems.
1985: Renovations costing $4 million were completed and Hill Memorial Library reopened on June 17. The project included an overhaul of the stack space and creation of a lecture hall and gallery space.
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Posted on 12/8/10 at 2:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
I stand corrected. I thought they took the whole building out, but I guess I was wrong. My mother has a piece of marble floor that she saved from what I see now was a renovation. I wonder why they couldn't keep the old marble floor? Anyway, the renovated library is very nice.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 2:51 pm to wrlakers
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We'll drink you under the table aggiegirl, anytime anywhere
I held my own quite nicely at homecoming this year...
but yeah, tailgating at LSU is incredible. I had such a great time.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 4:20 pm to vl100butch
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we need a Sherman tank to park next to the T-33 over by South Stadium
Here, here! Middleton's VIII Corps in WWII had both the 4th and 6th Armored Divisions, equipped with Shermans. It would make a great memorial.
And, I would support Sherman-Chennault Hall, too. Chennault was one of the few Army Air Force officers in the interwar period to tell all the strategic bombing idiots that their doctrine wouldn't work and that they needed escort fighters. We could have saved a lot of lives in WWII if we had listened to him.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 4:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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We like to fight amongst ourselves.
...because we have no other worthy opponent.
Posted on 12/8/10 at 4:35 pm to aggiegirl2005
This is a pretty good read about The Citadel experience from a commencement speech by Pat Conroy.
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