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re: The Fake Punt..
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:23 pm to stinger78
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:23 pm to stinger78
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I would have instructed my DE's to hit Jefferson every single play, penalty or not
So a perfectly legal football play would result in illegal activity by a team coached by you...
If they could have caught him to hit him in the first place you wouldnt be down by 35.
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Last night was time, IMO
When you step on the stage with the lights on and folks watching, getting dickslapped is really embarassing isnt it. A few other coaches that have been referred to as classless....Stoops, Meyer, Carroll, Spurrier, Bowden.........all of these have one thing in common with Miles, that being a NC.
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I guarantee you Miles would have taken him out. To me, pulling starters is more of an effort to keep them from getting injured in meaningless time, and to get your 2-deep PT.
Actually, he would have whipped your arse worse.
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Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:24 pm to LSUTigerz
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if the situation was reversed, we would be the ones screaming foul on that play
not "we". some would though because they're crybabies or would just be looking for another excuse to bash Les or the team.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:24 pm to tigerchad11
If the game plan is ball control, that's how you coach and play the whole game. Doesn't matter how much time is left or what the score is.
I don't think we played a full 60 minutes (on offense), but Miles definitely coached a full game, which was really good to see.
Running up the score is part of the game, and after the Florida and Georgia games, I'm sure Miles felt a certain amount of triumph at even being accused of attempting to run up the score!
I don't think we played a full 60 minutes (on offense), but Miles definitely coached a full game, which was really good to see.
Running up the score is part of the game, and after the Florida and Georgia games, I'm sure Miles felt a certain amount of triumph at even being accused of attempting to run up the score!
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:28 pm to dynatiger
Nobody has mentioned what Miles said when asked about the play. They had this play designed and had worked on it all year and wanted to try it out. This is a play that they wanted the players to have fun with. It wasn't a dirty play. If the roles were reversed, I would probably say different but coming from Miles' angle, he wanted his players to have some fun. Nothing wrong with that after working hard all season and getting bashed by the fans.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:33 pm to BasClas
I don't care if some see it as classless. Fact is the talent as been here all along to put up performances like that. I don't care who or what we lost last year. Recruiting takes care of that problem and we haven't done too bad in that area. Given the fact Miles record here hasn't been bad either we all figured out and suspected all along the problems this team has had.
Miles is not stupid he knows what has happened this year and why. He knows the disappointment that has been felt. This game was for a lot of things and reasons. This team has not played up to full potential except SOMEWHAT in one game to lose it at the end. This was to show that this team could play strong and close out a full game.
This was to show that he still has it and can lead this team. He showed that the players still believed in him and what he is doing. For a team to self destruct at the end of the season and then come out and finish strong in the last game showed he had them prepared. Miles and Crowton thought up a well working game plan on the O and did what they wanted with it. Jordan Jefferson as a true freshman shined with all eyes on him. This team flowed last night for once.
I can't say I would or could be mad at anything concerning this game. Other than the fact it took the last game to show who we were. No one gave us a shot. Everyone had us counted out, over 75% of the nation had GT blowing us away. The way we controlled the game like we did speaks volumes. I would have faked too late in the game if I could and if nothing else take more off the clock.
No we didn't score but we did eat up more clock and keep their offense off the field. Oh and to who said
I do believe Jefferson took a few late hits last night. I remember one hit he took during one play that took his top off. And I would agree with it too. The clean hits that is. That's the nature of the game. I would want our guys to hit as many as possible hard all night. As long as it was clean and all. So who am I to get mad about a hard hit lol.
Miles is not stupid he knows what has happened this year and why. He knows the disappointment that has been felt. This game was for a lot of things and reasons. This team has not played up to full potential except SOMEWHAT in one game to lose it at the end. This was to show that this team could play strong and close out a full game.
This was to show that he still has it and can lead this team. He showed that the players still believed in him and what he is doing. For a team to self destruct at the end of the season and then come out and finish strong in the last game showed he had them prepared. Miles and Crowton thought up a well working game plan on the O and did what they wanted with it. Jordan Jefferson as a true freshman shined with all eyes on him. This team flowed last night for once.
I can't say I would or could be mad at anything concerning this game. Other than the fact it took the last game to show who we were. No one gave us a shot. Everyone had us counted out, over 75% of the nation had GT blowing us away. The way we controlled the game like we did speaks volumes. I would have faked too late in the game if I could and if nothing else take more off the clock.
No we didn't score but we did eat up more clock and keep their offense off the field. Oh and to who said
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Were I Johnson, I would have instructed my DE's to hit Jefferson every single play, penalty or not. Not intentionally dirty or deliberately injuring him, just hit him hard every play he's in.
I do believe Jefferson took a few late hits last night. I remember one hit he took during one play that took his top off. And I would agree with it too. The clean hits that is. That's the nature of the game. I would want our guys to hit as many as possible hard all night. As long as it was clean and all. So who am I to get mad about a hard hit lol.
This post was edited on 1/1/09 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:37 pm to stinger78
I vote 2.
I wouldn't be worried about the fake punt LSU pulled off. I would be wondering about a fake punt inside my own 30 and putting the ball in the hands of a guy that runs a 5.0 40. That was just stupid and you could tell that the GT players where done.
I wouldn't be worried about the fake punt LSU pulled off. I would be wondering about a fake punt inside my own 30 and putting the ball in the hands of a guy that runs a 5.0 40. That was just stupid and you could tell that the GT players where done.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 7:50 pm to Mill Creek
Classless or not, my only problem with it is that it was a well designed play that we wasted in a meaningless situation. I would have like to have seen that one saved for a big situation next year. Teams will now be aware of that play and be somewhat prepared for it. Especially in the big games next year.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:23 pm to tigerfoot
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So a perfectly legal football play would result in illegal activity by a team coached by you...
If they could have caught him to hit him in the first place you wouldnt be down by 35.
You completely missed the point of the post. Not surprising.
If you touch a QB rough these days, you get a penalty. Sportsmanship says to play within the rules, but since sportsmanship is not an issue, the heck with the rule. I don't care what Miles did. The game was on and it's up to us to stop the fake. It's also up to us to make him take the guy out if we don't think he should be in there. You can only control what you can control... comprehend?
To restate for you, I'd tell the guys to push the edge of the envelope, hit the QB every play, and don't worry about the penalty if it comes. Nothing dirty, just make sure he's on his butt every time you can get him there.
Oh and BTW, your O was not particularly dominant last night, it was your D. They were the best I've seen in a long time. We gave you 2 scores of less than 25 yards on our pure stupidity, and another on 2 big penalties. 24 points is not a dominant performance, nor is 3 points in the second half when we all know you were busting your butts to score. Jefferson did well, though.
Now your D was on a completely different level.
This post was edited on 1/1/09 at 8:25 pm
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:29 pm to stinger78
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The fake punt was classless, but didn't hurt my feelings at all.
yeah right...tell us how you really feel, stinger.
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Actually, it pissed me off,
there now..don't you feel better now that you told the truth?
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Were I Johnson, I would have instructed my DE's to hit Jefferson every single play, penalty or not.
you mean like the chop blocks your off line was 'coached' to do?
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Not intentionally dirty or deliberately injuring him,
there now..don't you feel better now that you're finally telling the truth?
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However, I can be just as classless as the next guy when it's time.
you're out of time loser..just like your overrated football team.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:30 pm to stinger78
quote:It would be but it just gives teams something else to think about. I'm sure they might have a few more left in the bag.
I would have like to have seen that one saved for a big situation next year. Teams will now be aware of that play and be somewhat prepared for it. Especially in the big games next year.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:44 pm to heypaul
You throw out "Classless" ?
You are not LSU. You are a pissant who never lined up a day in your life in pads.
You are not LSU. You are a pissant who never lined up a day in your life in pads.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:47 pm to TigerBait88
quote:Last I heard, Jarrett Lee and Andrew Hatch were both healthy enough to play last night. And yet, Jordan Jefferson was out there running the offense until the final whistle. I thought it was obvious that Miles simply wanted to get Jefferson as many reps as possible. The fake punt was just another way to maintain control of the clock and the game, and keep getting our true freshman QB a few more reps in his second career start.
I believe that Miles called that fake punt in a way to "stick it" to all those haters who picked Georgia Tech and didn't even give us a chance.
quote:So did I, but not for the same reasons.
I loved the call!
Posted on 1/1/09 at 8:57 pm to byubengalboy
There are a lot of things that piss me off in a football game. Calling a fake punt on our own 20 yard line pissed me off. Losing 38-3 pissed me off. Having the fumble return for TD called back pissed me off. Having a fake punt go for a first down, when we needed the ball, pissed me off.
Can you comprehend this?
It's a completely different issue from whether it is right or sportsmanlike or not. I don't think it's good sportsmanship, but I can't control what someone else does. It's football, not ballet. If the opposing coach is trying to score tossing 60 yard bombs late in the 4th up 35 points, its up to me to make him rethink in whatever way I can control. Punishing the QB is the only thing I can do, and if it's all I've got, then I'll use it to the max.
Sorry if you cannot grap that fact.
And BTW, you need to study up on football rules. Cut blocks are perfectly legal and used at every level by every team. Even saw LSU use a few cuts last night. Cut blocking is what our OL is taught. Occasionally 2 OL get on the same guy and it can result in a chop. Chop blocks are not legal. Completely different technique.
But how would you know, you can't call a cut on NCAA 2009.
Anyway, to the rest of you. Truly great game. Your penetration on D is what it takes to stop an option. You did it consistently well all game. Some whuppin's just hurt, and some you can grow from. This is one we can grow from. All those FR and SO's we had on the field last night will be better for the experience, no matter how much it PISSED ME OFF.
Can you comprehend this?
It's a completely different issue from whether it is right or sportsmanlike or not. I don't think it's good sportsmanship, but I can't control what someone else does. It's football, not ballet. If the opposing coach is trying to score tossing 60 yard bombs late in the 4th up 35 points, its up to me to make him rethink in whatever way I can control. Punishing the QB is the only thing I can do, and if it's all I've got, then I'll use it to the max.
Sorry if you cannot grap that fact.
And BTW, you need to study up on football rules. Cut blocks are perfectly legal and used at every level by every team. Even saw LSU use a few cuts last night. Cut blocking is what our OL is taught. Occasionally 2 OL get on the same guy and it can result in a chop. Chop blocks are not legal. Completely different technique.
But how would you know, you can't call a cut on NCAA 2009.
Anyway, to the rest of you. Truly great game. Your penetration on D is what it takes to stop an option. You did it consistently well all game. Some whuppin's just hurt, and some you can grow from. This is one we can grow from. All those FR and SO's we had on the field last night will be better for the experience, no matter how much it PISSED ME OFF.
This post was edited on 1/1/09 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:08 pm to stinger78
All arguments aside, who really cares about class? We won and we won big. People are going to notice that and say, "Well, they're not totally dead". If we beat them 21-14, we "lucked out" or could barely beat an ACC team. I'd have made the same calls.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:15 pm to stinger78
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It's also up to us to make him take the guy out if we don't think he should be in there. You can only control what you can control... comprehend?
What a stupid statement. Are you saying you can chose the players that your opponent puts on the field.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:18 pm to stinger78
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. It's also up to us to make him take the guy out if we don't think he should be in there.
So you wait to be down 35 to dictate to the opposition? I may be on to why you all were dominated.....most good football teams impose their will a tad earlier. Comprehend.
No, you specifically have stated your position to be the following: We are not good enough to stop your offense, so we will try to intimidate you through illegal play (penalty or not was your position) to remove a player that we cant control legally (no penalty)
And this absurdity was in reaction to a perfectly legal trick play that made you embarassed of your lack of preparation and teams athletic ability. To further prove your lack of confidence in your team or your coaching ability you result to these type of tactics. I am sure you would be an inspiring leader.
Your position is a bush league, loser reaction, commonly used by lesser foes. This I comprehend.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:24 pm to heypaul
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CLASSLESS.
You're winning by 30+ points and have the game in your pocket. It was unnecessary, and pointless.
That's something Pete Carroll would do.
When you look up "ranter" in the dictionary your picture is there.
a) When you're up by tons of points your strategy should be to kill clock. You have to be on offense to do that.
b) The reason Les is so successful with fakes is that he does them when they are least expected. I'd say no one expected that one
It was thus a perfect call. If Les wanted to be classless - he would have run up the score - not merely attempted to control the ball and kill clock.
How classless - we put up THREE points on the in the 2nd half
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:50 pm to tigerfoot
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If they could have caught him to hit him in the first place you wouldnt be down by 35.
Excellent point.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 9:56 pm to heypaul
Some of you guys need to learn the definition of "classy".
class·y (kls)
adj. class·i·er, class·i·est Informal
Highly stylish; elegant.
That has nothing to do with football.
I think the term you're looking for is sportsmanship. Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.
IMO, poor sportsmanship would be thuggish behavior, bragging, taunting or possibly calling time out with a 30 point lead and 1 minute to play so that you can score one last time.
There is nothing unsportsmanslike about running 4 plays rather than 3 and punt.
class·y (kls)
adj. class·i·er, class·i·est Informal
Highly stylish; elegant.
That has nothing to do with football.
I think the term you're looking for is sportsmanship. Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.
IMO, poor sportsmanship would be thuggish behavior, bragging, taunting or possibly calling time out with a 30 point lead and 1 minute to play so that you can score one last time.
There is nothing unsportsmanslike about running 4 plays rather than 3 and punt.
Posted on 1/1/09 at 10:01 pm to heypaul
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CLASSLESS.
You're winning by 30+ points and have the game in your pocket. It was unnecessary, and pointless.
That's something Pete Carroll would do.
It was very Bob Stoops like. Earlier this season, when OU was still throwing late in their games, many fans on this board were critisizing Stoops' lack of sportsmanship in running up the scores.
Miles is no different. It was a piece of shite move. The game was already in hand and GT had no shot of getting back in it.
IF Miles' intent was to control the clock, he'd have been running the ball.
I have to laugh when our fans label Miles as a classy guy yet call Meyer, Carrol, & Stoops arrogant jerks.
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