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re: USA Today article this morning
Posted on 12/15/20 at 10:53 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 12/15/20 at 10:53 am to Tiger Voodoo
I guess we’ll have to see how it all plays out, but LSU may be left with no choice from a PR perspective but to totally clean house. That may be the only way to assure the public that everyone even partially involved - even those with questionable/debatable/iffy culpability - have been removed.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. As a fan, one can only hope that the decision-makers come to a determination that puts LSU - as an institution and athletic department - in a good spot to recover from this and move forward into a successful future.
Maybe I’m wrong to do so, but I trust that Woodward can navigate this and make some good decisions to mitigate the damage and get us past this.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. As a fan, one can only hope that the decision-makers come to a determination that puts LSU - as an institution and athletic department - in a good spot to recover from this and move forward into a successful future.
Maybe I’m wrong to do so, but I trust that Woodward can navigate this and make some good decisions to mitigate the damage and get us past this.
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 11:03 am
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Posted on 12/15/20 at 10:54 am to lsu711
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I already asked but what should LSU have done
The article convicts Segar and Lewis of a Title IX violation for taking an accuser directly to the police. They didn’t start with the almighty Title IX coordinator.
I’ll take the penalty if that is what this is about.
Bingo
Posted on 12/15/20 at 10:57 am to The Pirate King
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You can’t force people to file formal complaints and press charges. Repeatedly, girls were given opportunities to do so and most declined.
Seeing how administration allegedly treated the case and how half this board does, can you blame them for thinking it's useless?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:03 am to ProjectP2294
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Genuine question: How is Title IX an NCAA issue?
They have worked very hard to narrow their scope since they had to retract penalties against Penn State. If they can was their hands of the UNC thing, they certainly can do it in this case.
Especially since the Title IX issues extend beyond athletes.
I admittedly didn’t follow the aftermath of the PSU scandal closely, but I’m sure anything related to conduct of student athletes would fall into their purview.
Was the Baylor situation before of after the PSU penalties were retracted?
Because that’s certainly a case that is in the same area and the NCAA didn’t hesitate to get involved there.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:07 am to kjp811
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I think the ball was dropped by not reporting this to the Title IX office. Should be policy that anyone employed by LSU should have to to report this kind of thing to Title IX once they are made aware of it. Should have to go through specific channels necessarily.
Easy fix is to have the police dept with jurisdiction to report to title IX office. Why anything related to breaking the law should go through the university makes no sense.
I can't imagine any father that found out his daughter was abused/raped would say to his daughter "well you went to your coaches/university personnel right"?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:10 am to lsu711
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They didn’t start with the almighty Title IX coordinator.
oh no
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I’ll take the penalty if that is what this is about.
exacty and this is some stupid shite
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:10 am to kajunman
Football will be fine.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:22 am to nicholastiger
Who is leaking this shite? I swear our AD has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 11:46 am to The Egg
When you put it that way, it makes me realize that there’s really no TELLING how bad this gets from here.
Seems they could handle it softly, or they could drop a dam big hammer, and be justified either way.
Seems they could handle it softly, or they could drop a dam big hammer, and be justified either way.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 12:55 pm to Lester Earl
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Seagar is going to bring everyone down
now we know why she has kept her job so long
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:12 pm to lsu711
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The article convicts Segar and Lewis of a Title IX violation for taking an accuser directly to the police.
LSU itself found Lewis violated Title 9 policies of LSU
...and she was promoted in August
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:13 pm to nicholastiger
The most telling aspect of this article is that, unlike the previous one, it is not a glorified slam piece on Orgeron.
Their first article had him (as the highest profile person in the department) front and center, and brought up numerous cleared cases unrelated to Title IX, such as the Delpit, Godchaux, and Phillips incidents, strictly as click bait.
It was mentioned earlier, but this has to bode well for Orgeron. You can damn well bet if USA Today thought it had one shred of evidence to implicate him in this, his name would've been in the headline. Not because they have a hard on for him in particular, but because their industry is dyeing and they will do all they can to stay relevant.
Their first article had him (as the highest profile person in the department) front and center, and brought up numerous cleared cases unrelated to Title IX, such as the Delpit, Godchaux, and Phillips incidents, strictly as click bait.
It was mentioned earlier, but this has to bode well for Orgeron. You can damn well bet if USA Today thought it had one shred of evidence to implicate him in this, his name would've been in the headline. Not because they have a hard on for him in particular, but because their industry is dyeing and they will do all they can to stay relevant.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:24 pm to Basura Blanco
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It was mentioned earlier, but this has to bode well for Orgeron. You can damn well bet if USA Today thought it had one shred of evidence to implicate him in this, his name would've been in the headline. Not because they have a hard on for him in particular, but because their industry is dyeing and they will do all they can to stay relevant.
I agree. Orgeron is even quoted in the article that they have to report all incidents. The fact that they have emails from Alleva stating that all incidents go to Seger, makes that protocol for staff. Alleva, Seger, Verge, F. King all stand to be hit hard from this.
They also state that the Title IX office delayed 2 months in the Davis situation, and only came in when he was arrested.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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so what should LSU have done? Filed charges for the women? Prevent DD and his gf from ever meeting again?
simply directly reporting it to the Title 9 office would have been enough
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:27 pm to Basura Blanco
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The most telling aspect of this article is that, unlike the previous one, it is not a glorified slam piece on Orgeron.
Their first article had him (as the highest profile person in the department) front and center, and brought up numerous cleared cases unrelated to Title IX, such as the Delpit, Godchaux, and Phillips incidents, strictly as click bait.
It was mentioned earlier, but this has to bode well for Orgeron. You can damn well bet if USA Today thought it had one shred of evidence to implicate him in this, his name would've been in the headline. Not because they have a hard on for him in particular, but because their industry is dyeing and they will do all they can to stay relevant.
Surely they wouldn't write a piece that largely targets minorities and women either unless those were the only people they had damning evidence against.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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LSU itself found Lewis violated Title 9 policies of LSU
...and she was promoted in August
anybody thinking CEO was not aware of this Davis situation when two of his direct reports, his #1 liason in AD Ofc, his Title IX compliance liason and the most politically influential LSU booster were involved is laughably deluded
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:29 pm to Topwater Trout
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Easy fix is to have the police dept with jurisdiction to report to title IX office.
the law (and LSU policy) require direct reporting, so this wouldn't work. also this would exclude any case where the alleged victim didn't notify LEO, which is kind of the whole point of having Title 9 as an avenue
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Why anything related to breaking the law should go through the university makes no sense.
i agree, and Title 9 is complete bullshite in how the Obama admin changed things, but it is the system colleges exist in
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:30 pm to supatigah
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anybody thinking CEO was not aware of this Davis situation when two of his direct reports, his #1 liason in AD Ofc, his Title IX compliance liason and the most politically influential LSU booster were involved is laughably deluded
I agree, but it comes down to what they can prove. What if all those people admit to intentionally leaving Orgeron out of it for plausible deniability?
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:32 pm to CatfishJohn
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What if all those people admit to intentionally leaving Orgeron out of it for plausible deniability?
there is no such thing here for CEO, and that scenario brings in a lack of institutional control situation
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:33 pm to supatigah
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anybody thinking CEO was not aware of this Davis situation when two of his direct reports, his #1 liason in AD Ofc, his Title IX compliance liason and the most politically influential LSU booster were involved is laughably deluded
well it could be argued the entire point our AD created an entire system to insulate claims, it may have been specifically to protect the HC
that memo from Alleva is BAD. it clearly advises behavior that is likely in violation of title 9
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In response to USA TODAY’s November investigation, head football coach Ed Orgeron said LSU employees have both a “legal and moral” obligation to report all allegations of sexual misconduct and dating violence to the Title IX office for investigation.
“When we become aware of accusations, we have an obligation to immediately report every allegation to the University’s Title IX office so that appropriate due process can be implemented,” he said in a statement to USA TODAY.
Yet the 2018 Title IX report shows that Lewis and Ausberry had a practice of reporting such allegations not to the Title IX office, but to a point person in athletics: Segar. That was also the guidance from Alleva, the former athletic director, his written messages to staff show.
that's not allegations or "sources". that's from LSU's own Title 9 report...from 2018
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