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Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:37 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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See this is the problem I have.
We shouldn’t be worried about plausible deniability. We should be concerned about accountability, and listing all of these various people showing how widespread the dysfunction was in the program and university but saying “oh well it’s at least plausible that maybe O dinknownuffin” (to borrow a popular phrase) is just kind of shameful imo.
There was a pattern of abuse by multiple players against multiple girls on campus within our program that went on for YEARS.
That is ultimately what this is about.
I'm not trying to absolve Orgeron of anything. I have no problem with anyone who knew being fired.
However, we do have laws and Orgeron does have a contract. If we are angling to fire him with cause and nullify his contract, it has to be proven that he was involved.
What is the legal threshold for him to "know" or be "involved"?
I don't have the answer to that, but "plausible deniability" is a real thing.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
How much of the Title IX stuff is "law" vs "NCAA issues?"
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:43 pm to jtraylor387
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They also state that the Title IX office delayed 2 months in the Davis situation, and only came in when he was arrested.
That is another really weird part about the article. It deals strictly with a Title IX issue and quotes extensively from a Title IX report, yet at no point, unless I totally missed it, does the reporter mention an interview or attempt to interview anyone in the LSU Title IX department, not do they mention who heads up the Title IX department.
They do mention the Title IX investigator as Jeffery Scott, but only when they are referencing the report. By the way, the director is Jennie Stewart. Not that it is relevant, but they office over in Thomas Boyd, not the Athletic building.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i agree, and Title 9 is complete bullshite in how the Obama admin changed things, but it is the system colleges exist in
you know the law...why is this the way things are handled? how does it protect the accuser? seems like it would just allow more people to know and leak who the accuser is
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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well it could be argued the entire point our AD created an entire system to insulate claims, it may have been specifically to protect the HC
that memo from Alleva is BAD. it clearly advises behavior that is likely in violation of title 9
true
remember all of these people are under contract and LSU is the one paying for the investigation so there is total access and cooperation for discovery
so unless everyone uses burner phones, burner emails and talks in person there will be a communication trail that will show CEO’s awareness of what was going on
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:50 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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How much of the Title IX stuff is "law" vs "NCAA issues?"
law
i don't even know if the NCAA has jurisdiction
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:52 pm to Topwater Trout
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why is this the way things are handled?
This guidance from the Obama admin in 2011
basically mandated colleges strip due process of the accused and engage in kangaroo courts that make Soviet prosecutions look fair
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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basically mandated colleges strip due process of the accused and engage in kangaroo courts that make Soviet prosecutions look fair
ridiculous
ETA: So if the victim was not a student they wouldn't be required to go to the title IX officer?
This post was edited on 12/15/20 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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law
i don't even know if the NCAA has jurisdiction
So, is the self-imposed bowl ban an extension of the OBJ thing or IX report? I am not trying to contradict you, I just assumed it was related to Title IX.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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law
i don't even know if the NCAA has jurisdiction
They will take the legal findings into account however when deciding on LOIC or other punishments.
Child rape isn't in NCAA jurisdiction and they sure took it to PSU. (Although I think this was massive overreach)
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:56 pm to Basura Blanco
pretty sure it is the OLOL scandal
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:57 pm to Basura Blanco
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So, is the self-imposed bowl ban an extension of the OBJ thing or IX report? I am not trying to contradict you, I just assumed it was related to Title IX.
Pretty sure all of our self-imposed penalties (scholarships and bowl ban) were for OLOL. OBJ self-imposed penalty was barring him from being on campus or near the program.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 1:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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ETA: So if the victim was not a student they wouldn't be required to go to the title IX officer?
no i think they can still do it via Title 9
the alleged victim doesn't have to report it. there are stories of third parties filing the reports
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:02 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I'm not trying to absolve Orgeron of anything.
Go look at his posting history. He's obsessed.
Posted on 12/15/20 at 2:03 pm to Topwater Trout
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ridiculous
ETA: So if the victim was not a student they wouldn't be required to go to the title IX officer?
There are so damn many moving parts to this.
Is the fact that Richardson a student employee all that matters here?
What about Lewis the tennis player? Is her report filed on the basis of her being a student athlete, or Drake Davis being a student athlete? Or both?
Does it even matter if Drake Davis was a student athlete? Was him being a student sufficient grounds for a Title IX report?
None of this matters morally of course....legally it means everything.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:01 am to themunch
That was those dumbasses first mistake. Didn’t they realize what kind of debacle he had at Duke? CYA, no matter what.
Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:04 am to nicholastiger
So i read the article from November this morning. It's borderline libel. A shite load of innendo's and accusations, but little facts. The only facts in the article revolved around Drake Davis and Derrius Guice. However, that didn't stop USA today from attempting to paint a picture of systemic cover-ups within the entirety of the LSU program. It was poorly written, and the authors clearly had an agenda. Haven't read the recent article, i assume much of the same.
ETA: Just skimmed the article today. Yup, more of the same. Captain hindsight, and innuendo's.
ETA: Just skimmed the article today. Yup, more of the same. Captain hindsight, and innuendo's.
This post was edited on 12/16/20 at 8:08 am
Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:08 am to Big4SALTbro
He hired O didn’t he?
Posted on 12/16/20 at 8:08 am to Geauxldilocks
I bet the moles are crypto gumps
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