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re: What are your goals for the basketball program?
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:28 pm to StAugFLTiger
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:28 pm to StAugFLTiger
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Besides, he wasn't even on the bench.
You are so hopeless clown shoes.
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Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:31 pm to Topwater Trout
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all rated in top 34 in the country in high school
So only low rated prospects improve?
Smh, so disingenuous.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:34 pm to Lester Earl
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so you are giving WW all the credit for his development? Can you clarify who you would give credit to for his improvement?
Anybody but Wade is the answer he is looking for.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:39 pm to thunderbird1100
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I mean the basketball program history is a joke compared to football and baseball
Recent. Like the past 30 years or so, but this wasn't always the case.
Basketball is the easiest of the three programs to immediately improve. By far.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:44 pm to thunderbird1100
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Your question was did they get better/develop under Wade.
most players naturally develop and improve with experience. Show me one guy that came in with hardly any talent and became a great player...that would prove he is great at developing players correct?
Have you seen Gaines improve in decision making for example? Hell what about Pinson? those are our ball handlers and both still make terrible decisions and drive to the basket out of control. Guys like Smart and Mays were great at it bc of their talent...can't expect Gaines and Pinson to do that but they still seem to be coached to do so...or they just completely ignore any coaching and never get pulled out bc of their stupid plays
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:44 pm to Solo Cam
Undefeated.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:45 pm to rutiger
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Anybody but Wade is the answer he is looking for.
I love WW I just wish he would coach them to play smarter and not get stupid fouls
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:48 pm to Lester Earl
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Can you clarify who you would give credit to for his improvement?
Wade got him here and plays a style that I believe Eason flourishes in so he deserves some credit. I didn't watch him at cincy to know what type of offense or style they played...he excels in one on one. I do think some of the development is natural progression based on experience and ability.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:50 pm to StAugFLTiger
I would rather win the SEC Tournament than winning the regular season. We have won the regular season five times since 2000 (2000, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2019). We have not won the SEC Tournament in that time, we only have 1 SEC Tournament championship (1980).
Winning the SEC Tournament is an automatic qualifier into the NCAA Tournament not winning the Regular season title.
Winning the SEC Tournament is an automatic qualifier into the NCAA Tournament not winning the Regular season title.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:52 pm to thunderbird1100
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Did Eason and KBW not develop/get better here under Wade than their previous stop?
No one can answer that...you should be smart enough to know that's impossible to answer
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:53 pm to Topwater Trout
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I didn't watch him at cincy
Well to give you an idea, some people here compared him to josh Leblanc when he transferred in
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:57 pm to IM_4_LSU
quote:Do you not think winning the SEC regular season gives us a 99.9999999999% chance of making the tournament?
Winning the SEC Tournament is an automatic qualifier into the NCAA Tournament not winning the Regular season title.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Recent. Like the past 30 years or so, but this wasn't always the case.
Sure but isn't that what really matters anyway? There probably aren't too many recruits that really care about Pistol Pete or Rudy Macklin. We are probably getting close to some recruits that only know Shaq as a funny TV analyst and not as a dominant big man from the NBA or that he even went to LSU.
Within the next 5 years, you will have recruits that were born after the last time LSU went to the Final Four (assuming we do not soon, of course).
Whereas football and baseball have national championship(s) more recently than our last Final Four run. Football also has star power in the NFL that further promotes the brand.
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Basketball is the easiest of the three programs to immediately improve. By far.
This is probably fair, but Wade has definitely "improved" the program and pretty immediately. He took over a program that was averaging a tourney every 5 years or so and has had tourney teams 4/5 years (assuming we make it this year and counting COVID which was a tourney team)
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:05 pm to Topwater Trout
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most players naturally develop and improve with experience
Sure, tjhey also develop due to coaching as well. Again you literally cant pass off everyone who improved as to "Wade had nothing to do with it, they just got older!"
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Show me one guy that came in with hardly any talent and became a great player
What kids do you think we're recruiting to the program with "hardly any talent"...are you serious?
Hey guys, because Wade hasn't developed Parker Edwards into an All-Conference player nobody has developed under Wade.
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Recent. Like the past 30 years or so, but this wasn't always the case.
All that matters is where things are at now in and in recent history. The last 2 decade+ before Wade the basketball program was mostly a joke, especially compared to football and baseball, I mean no question there. From the last NCAA tournament Brown made in 1993 to before Wade in 2017 (tournament) we made a whopping 6 NCAA tournaments. 6 tournaments in 24 years.
Since Wade has got here in 2017-18, we've been a tournament level team the last 4 years (obviously tournament canceled 2 years ago, but we would have been in it).
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Basketball is the easiest of the three programs to immediately improve. By far.
From making the tournament 6 times in 24 years to being a tournament level team the last 4 seasons (including this one)...and people still find ways to complain
This post was edited on 3/4/22 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:11 pm to Topwater Trout
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No one can answer that...you should be smart enough to know that's impossible to answer
Well except it's not because we literally have the stats to show both those guys flourished greatly here compared to their previous school, but hey, I guess we can continue to ignore that completely.
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:12 pm to thunderbird1100
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Again you literally cant pass off everyone who improved as to "Wade had nothing to do with it, they just got older!"
Never said that
If you could improve this team, as the roster currently is, what would you want to see improved that could be done with coaching?
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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Well except it's not because we literally have the stats to show both those guys flourished greatly here compared to their previous school, but hey, I guess we can continue to ignore that completely.
if you think athletes don't improve with experience there is no hope for you.
You know we can look at guys who left LSU and flourished also right...Jalen Cook ring a bell?
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:20 pm to Topwater Trout
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If you could improve this team, as the roster currently is, what would you want to see improved that could be done with coaching?
I mean the biggest problem with this team is roster. We lost our best guard before the season started. Our next best guard has been banged up and still not looking 100% even since he came back. Unfortunately by only carrying 5 scholarship guards, and the only 2 guys wade trusted with the ball in their hands for extended periods of time being out or injured, it's very negatively affected the team.
We went from Cam Thomas and Javonte Smart last year to at times this year a guard group of Gaines and a pair of freshmen in Murray and Williams who they wanted to redshirt with Williams because he wasn't ready.
It's hard to do the things you want to do in basketball when your ball handlers are hurt or not capable of playing at their usual level. It's a guards game ultimately and especially in the tournament/higher level of play...we just dont have that guard group this year at all where a lot of the teams we play have a good guard group by comparison.
Wade acknowledged the issue of the guards this year and is trimming the roster the end of bench bigs who do nothing and will probably carry 6 guards instead of 5 next year among which probably 3 guys he trusts with the ball to avoid issues like this in the future.
the teams the last few years look a lot different if Cam Thomas/Smart get hurt or missed the season, same when it was Smart/Mays or Waters/Mays/Smart. We were fortunate not to have to deal with major injuries to our best guards in any of these seasons. This year, it bit us hard to lose our 2 best guards, 1 for the season and the 2nd for extended periods of time and even when back not quite the same player. If Miller doesnt miss the season and Pinson miss many games/play hurt in others this season is probably a very different story itself (to the positive).
Posted on 3/4/22 at 1:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Wade is in year 5. We can stop grading him on a rookie scale. Its 100% his program and built his way.
And in year 5 he has the program winning at its most consistent level in three decades. But for the cancellation of the 2020 tournament, he would be on the verge of taking LSU to its 4th straight NCAAT. Something that hasn't been done since 1993.
Is there a hope that the program will progress to a true national championship contender? Absolutely. But I'm not quite ready to hold Wade to a standard of expectations that the program has never really had.
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