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re: What-exactly-is wrong with our offense right now?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:23 am to Maximus
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:23 am to Maximus
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not hard when you'd rather take a sack then risk an incompletion even with the game on the line
agree...but really the #1 stat to look at is the number of 3 and outs...LSU is far better now than with JJ in that department...and that helps field position, the defense, etc....it changes the game. Continuous 3 and outs give us poor field position, and wear out the D.....that is what we have had the past two years.
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Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:27 am to Mayhawman
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He was shellshocked a bit from Lee's experience in '08 for some plays and ran for his life on others. He had a general distrust of pocket integrity and wasn't keen on stepping up.
True, so he went out in 2010 and threw about as many int/attempt as a junior as Lee did as a freshmen....nice adjustment
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:29 am to Maximus
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"miles can do no wrong" crowd's argument
Please save this for when you're addressing someone in this crowd
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we need JJ because our RBs won't be able to run it agaisnt UF or Bama BUT JJ will be able to run for first downs against UF and Bama on 3rd and 10s?
What option do you suggest if and when Florida or Bama has our kind of success in stopping the run, and hurries an immobile QB? Are you suggesting we shouldn't show Jefferson enough in games to have his mobility be accounted for, or God forbid, even used?
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your plan is to put the QB who can't throw in on passing downs (ie 3rd and 5+) because he can easily just click his heels and run for the first down?
When and if our first option fails, I like having an option that has worked for us in recent MNC seasons. I can make a quick list of 3rd down plays, where the QB picked up first downs with his feet on designed pass plays that lead to a scoring drive that was the difference in the game during very successful recent seasons, if you like.
But, of course, you know this already, and it doesn't support your mantra. Jefferson is actually not a very good runner, but he can cover ground, as opposed to our first option at QB.
I hope we ram it down everybody's throat so successfully that we do nothing but play action on 2nd or 3rd and short, along with some quick hitting first down throws. It would be nice to throw the ball five times every second half, but we both know that isn't going to happen in the Bama game, and possibly not even the Florida game, depending on how healthy they remain after their game with Bama.
What is your frickin' argument with having Jefferson as an option, if the opposition's gameplan for Lee is successful?
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:31 am to Cold Cous Cous
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But none of which, as pointed out, have truly elite defenses. The fact is LSU has the 66th rushing offense in the country and the 62nd passing offense in the country (both based on yards per carry/attempt). Combined, we are 88th in offensive yards per play. As long as we keep getting short fields this is no big deal. But this is not a top tier offense, at least so far.
hey sport...you just disputed your own information in your post. Don't you think the short field we have been getting has something to do with the amount of yards we have....? Just curious...lmao.....secondly....most teams have played 3 complete cupcakes by now...padded stats.....third.....why don't you check out total points...that is more representative of our offense...since, as you pointed out...we have gotten great field position thus less chance at more yards....lmao.......you might want to check 3 and outs as well.....last year vs this year.....
in closing...you sir, are a dumbass...
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:31 am to GFunk
Don't mess with it until needed
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:32 am to Mayhawman
quote:elaborate since you know me so well
No wonder you're a failure.
you'd rather fix things that aren't broken I assume?
This post was edited on 9/30/11 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:33 am to wahoocs
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What is your frickin' argument with having Jefferson as an option, if the opposition's gameplan for Lee is successful?
maybe it is the 112th total offene in 2009 and the 100th ranked offense last year...just a guess. lol. Give me Mett IF JL is playing poorly.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:34 am to lsuFANstuckNtexas
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Our only problems are that some players on the team want JJ to start.
this unfortunately is the problem... weather you want to believe it or not, its there
As the man said---just how do you know this to be the case????
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:35 am to wahoocs
so, basically, just in case our o line completely falls apart on run and pass blocking, we bring JJ in and he runs it all over the place because you've seen him run for 3 first downs. Got it. Lets gets this implemented pronto.
no, he doesnt need to play at all. If you are that intent on running a package like that put Ware or Shepard at QB.
But, since we know Miles loves JJ more than life itself, he will get those running packages whether we like it or not. We can only hope they are few and far between. To want to extend JJ's playing time to 3rd down passing situations as well is one of the dumbest ideas to hit this board since Trindon to DE.
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Are you suggesting we shouldn't show Jefferson enough in games to have his mobility be accounted for, or God forbid, even used?
no, he doesnt need to play at all. If you are that intent on running a package like that put Ware or Shepard at QB.
But, since we know Miles loves JJ more than life itself, he will get those running packages whether we like it or not. We can only hope they are few and far between. To want to extend JJ's playing time to 3rd down passing situations as well is one of the dumbest ideas to hit this board since Trindon to DE.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:35 am to GFunk
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What-exactly-is wrong with our offense right now?
I'm content with the offense/JL as of now, but our passing O is ranked 98th in the nation
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:35 am to GFunk
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JJ consistently drops 9 steps on a play intended for 7 steps. The pocket sets up perfectly, but the combination of poor footwork and him holding onto the ball means that he's in the direct path of the edge rusher & creates the protection issue ENTIRELY on his own.
You can see it over and over again.
JJ made the OL look much worse than it was. Time his snap-to-get-the-ball-out and then look at his footwork on his medium-deep drops compared to where the OL is setting the edge on the pass-pro.
JJ's way worse than you're giving him credit for, and you're underselling our OL.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:38 am to Lonnie4LSU
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but our passing O is ranked 98th in the nation
bah, that's just yards/ game. we're good in the efficiency stuff, and can turn it on when we need to. that's all that matters.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:40 am to Lonnie4LSU
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I'm content with the offense/JL as of now, but our passing O is ranked 98th in the nation
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Lonnie4LSU
leave it to beaver... I mean lonnie.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:41 am to Maximus
quote:Yea, a D never blitzes in those situations.
he was doing it in games we were losing, on 4th downs as the clock ran out.
I remember us not being able to pass protect vs La Tech and Lee grandstanding 6 or 7.
Same results. Drive killers are drive killers.
Jefferson would try to make things happen when they weren't there and get a sack.
When your OL sucks, there just aren't many options. Amazing that JJ even completed over 60% that year.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:44 am to CantonTiger128
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you sir, are a dumbass...
Maybe, maybe not. But at least I'm not being an a-hole on the internet for no real reason.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:45 am to GFunk
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What-exactly-is wrong with our offense right now?
Nothing. Wait a month and ask it again. We will be facing SEC d-lines now. As much as I love the power running game I think we will need to threaten the ends more with sweeps beginning next week rather than running off tackle for the most part. Passing game should continue improving with JL and receivers getting more game reps.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:48 am to Maximus
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no, he doesnt need to play at all. If you are that intent on running a package like that put Ware or Shepard at QB.
Well, I've stated this, and it's apparent that this isn't going to happen on Miles' teams.
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To want to extend JJ's playing time to 3rd down passing situations as well is one of the dumbest ideas to hit this board since Trindon to DE
Why does it have to be 3rd down passing situations? Hell, he wouldn't see the field if Bama had trouble with Lee's gameplan.
Saban runs a disciplined defense, but preparing for different schemes with 1 QB mobile, and 1 QB completely immobile, can only help our chances. Having to account for the QB as a running option opens up passing lanes.
What makes you think we win the Bama game last year with Lee only? All of our yards on the winning drive were on the ground. Even if JJ didn't provide much of them, they had to account for him.
The last time I saw a Lee led offense against Bama, and that was at home, I saw him throw 4 interceptions, with a successful ground game. He has thus far looked improved, but sue me if I would prefer to have another option, if things don't work out.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:50 am to wahoocs
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Why does it have to be 3rd down passing situations?
you brought up how awesome he'd be at that
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ell, he wouldn't see the field if Bama had trouble with Lee's gameplan
lol, Les hearts JJ too much
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:51 am to Ford Frenzy
quote:You never bring one fact to the discussion dude, you just flame, and only about one player. I feel you fail.
elaborate since you know me so well
quote:No, I said if the O can't move, it would be better to use JJ.
you'd rather fix things that aren't broken I assume?
You say just go ahead and keep running your head into a wall and lose, rather than try anything different (ie take Lee out).
I don't want anything changed if we're moving the ball.
Posted on 9/30/11 at 11:53 am to GFunk
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What-exactly-is wrong with our offense right now?
Nothing.
And certainly nothing that Jefferson will cure.
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