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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:this is what i'm talking about when i say confirmation bias. you begin digging into details to support what you already believe. all of the above is reductio ad absurdum. like joey said, you are cherry picking facts to support what you already believe
2007 has a schedule with 2 absolutely horrible offenses who sucked AFTER they replaced their shitty QBs. we got a shot at their horrible initial starters (carroll, glennan)
we also benefited from one of urban's conservative gameplans (also seen in this previous national title game)
then came USC, when spurrier carved our D with his own horrible offensive talent. of course they didn't win, because they sucked, but that was the beginning of the end
after USC, teams were no longer scared of us. they attacked us, and they had success. our slow defense correlates with shitty pass D and the inability to stop the option against athletic RBs
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Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:complete and utter reductio ad absurdum.
after losing 2 games where the D completely sucked. we won with offense late in 2007
OSU didn't exactly have top talent. average OL, horrible QB, average WRs, and 1 stud RB
that's like celebrating how we dominated MSU's offense
it was the same scheme as 2007
secondary concern: too many bad drafts will affect recuriting.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:58 pm to bfniii
Seriously, if anyone should ever be banned for stupidity, SFP has made the grade. If not stupidity, then at least slander; his 'facts' are false and only serve as anti-LSU propaganda.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:So exactly how does Ohio State's combine stud-defense correlate with getting 38 points put up against them by the slow-poke LSU players that suck at the combine?
our slow defense correlates with shitty pass D and the inability to stop the option against athletic RBs
quote:After South Carolina, we went 8-2, with wins over Florida, Auburn and Alabama to win the West, Tennessee to win the SEC, and #1 Ohio State to win the National Championship. How exactly did those teams have "success" against us?
after USC, teams were no longer scared of us. they attacked us, and they had success
This is a perfect example of your confirmation bias. You have looked back on a National Championship season and ignored or completely devalued all of the data from it that contradicts your pre-determined conclusion and narrowed your vision to see only what you can interpret as supporting the conclusion you had reached before the analysis had even began.
And, incidentally, why would this "trend" only exist in two of the 9 years Moffitt has been here? Two out of 9 is not a trend.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:03 pm to bfniii
quote:
this is what i'm talking about when i say confirmation bias. you begin digging into details to support what you already believe.
this belief only came about after analyzing the 2007 season
if that's a bias, then any analysis of data involves confirmation bias. i'm ok with that
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like joey said, you are cherry picking facts to support what you already believe
looking at the last year and a half of LSU defense is hardly "cherry picking"
it is a valid sample because it involves the players in question, and it is over a year's worth of data
you're not going to get much bigger than 1.5 seasons for an applicable sample in this argument due to the nature of the game. if these kids start 3 years that's amazing and rare
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:03 pm to bfniii
quote:
complete and utter reductio ad absurdum.
no OSU lacked offensive talent in 2007
this is nothing new or shocking
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:04 pm to RelocatedPelican
quote:
his 'facts' are false
like which?
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The #1 team in the country in the National Championship game had talent you compare to Mississippi State's, and the National Championship team had a "terrible" "slow" defense. And people actually have to ask why you fit the profile of confirmation bias?
OSU didn't exactly have top talent. average OL, horrible QB, average WRs, and 1 stud RB
that's like celebrating how we dominated MSU's offense
quote:So when do we start having bad drafts? Or (if we've already had the "bad drafts"), when do the bad drafts start affecting recruiting? This trend has been going on for years, and yet our recruiting is still excellent. Wouldn't you expect there to be some noticeable impact by now if your theory was actually valid?
secondary concern: too many bad drafts will affect recuriting.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:05 pm to BengalTiger1
Fire him then rehire him it will send a message.............probably not...........but I don't what to do 
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:07 pm to King Joey
quote:
So exactly how does Ohio State's combine stud-defense correlate with getting 38 points put up against them by the slow-poke LSU players that suck at the combine?
one stud (gholston)
laurinitis and jenkins aren't athletic studs and they were the best of the OSU D other than gholston
quote:
How exactly did those teams have "success" against us?
what was our scoring D in ppg after USC?
and we lost 2 of 10 games. that's a lot in CFB
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This is a perfect example of your confirmation bias. You have looked back on a National Championship season and ignored or completely devalued all of the data from it that contradicts your pre-determined conclusion and narrowed your vision to see only what you can interpret as supporting the conclusion you had reached before the analysis had even began.
dude
we lost 2 games
frick the national championship, look at this in an objective bubble. we lost 2 of 10 games to end 2007.
and the main culprit for those 2 losses was our D
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And, incidentally, why would this "trend" only exist in two of the 9 years Moffitt has been here? Two out of 9 is not a trend.
no the total trend is the past 9 years
the last 2 are used for the recent players
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:College football talent is not the same thing as athleticism as defined by you and measured by certain aspects of the combine. LSU's results on the field demonstrate that (unless your combine stats are inaccurrate or misleading).
no, but the combine shows athleticism. that's what i'm talking about: talent
quote:You have offered no evidence of either defense being slow. You have pointed out that the 2008 defense sucked without citing any evidence that the problem was due to our defense being slow (especially notable given the presence of highly questionable coaching). And you have made claims that our National Championship defense of 2007 was "exposed" and "slow" without citing any examples to support those claim. You made some references to an alleged "inability to stop the option against athletic RBs", but given the fact that only one loss even prominently featured any athletic RBs and several of our victories were against athletic RBs, the allegation is at best unsupported.
2007 Defense being slow
2008 Defense being slow
Also, you earlier made the claim that our 2007 team won with offense, not defense. Weren't our offensive players being trained by Moffitt as well?
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:10 pm to King Joey
quote:
The #1 team in the country
based on an easy schedule and having more talent than the rest of their horrible conference
do you honestly think they were the best team pre-bowls?
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and the National Championship team had a "terrible" "slow" defense.
slow, not terrible
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So when do we start having bad drafts?
when do we start to have drafts that correlate to our success in college? we've had 1 amazing draft (2007, following the most talented LSU team ever) and then average-below average drafts
also before this, we never really dominated in any draft and many of our early picks were busts or guys at the best, who weren't worthy of their draft spot (clayton, hill, spears, peterman)
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
frick the national championship
Wow.
Anything to dig your heels in and diminish anything LSU does,right ? 
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:13 pm to King Joey
quote:
College football talent is not the same thing as athleticism as defined by you and measured by certain aspects of the combine.
yes it is
athleticism is athleticism
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You have offered no evidence of either defense being slow.
teams being able to pass all over us for a year and a half and option teams making our D look slow is evidence
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And you have made claims that our National Championship defense of 2007 was "exposed" and "slow" without citing any examples to support those claim.
Auburn
Alabama
Kentucky
Arkansas
4 examples
quote:
You made some references to an alleged "inability to stop the option against athletic RBs", but given the fact that only one loss even prominently featured any athletic RBs and several of our victories were against athletic RBs, the allegation is at best unsupported.
2 option teams: Florida and Arkansas
we barely beat UF and we lost to Arkansas
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:15 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:
Anything to dig your heels in and diminish anything LSU does,right ?
what?
we lost 2 games in 2007. we were supposed to be more talented than any team we played, and the only opposition is UF
the national title came about as a result of a lot of luck and the media loving us. i'm happy we won it, but it's not important to this discussion. if you expect to win many national titles with a 2-loss team then that's your opinion, but wow
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Okay, this is a perfect example of confirmation bias. You specificaly limit your example data to only ten data points, then exclude 8 of them from consideration entirely, and then further specifically ignore factors like the National Championship (which specifically bears on the talent level -- and thus the appropriate weighing -- represented in that datapoint).
dude
we lost 2 games
frick the national championship, look at this in an objective bubble. we lost 2 of 10 games to end 2007.
and the main culprit for those 2 losses was our D
quote:Is your contention that our defense has been slow for the last 9 years?
no the total trend is the past 9 years
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:20 pm to King Joey
quote:
You specificaly limit your example data to only ten data points,
then you're limiting your example to 10 data points. i'm using YOUR data
2008 did happen, and it makes my argument stronger
but don't say i'm using weak data points when i was only replying to the set of information you used
quote:
and then further specifically ignore factors like the National Championship
if you expect many more national championships after 2-loss seasons then i don't know what to tell you
quote:
Is your contention that our defense has been slow for the last 9 years?
show me the athletic studs that we've produced in the last 9 years
laron landry and...
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:"Shitty" and "sucked" are usually synonyms of "terrible", not "slow."
slow, not terrible
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our slow defense correlates with shitty pass D and the inability to stop the option against athletic RBs
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after losing 2 games where the D completely sucked.
quote:So then why didn't you answer the question: when do these "bad drafts" start affecting our recruiting? You're citing drafts at least back to 2004; that's 5 years ago. And we just signed another top rated class.
when do we start to have drafts that correlate to our success in college? we've had 1 amazing draft (2007, following the most talented LSU team ever) and then average-below average drafts
also before this, we never really dominated in any draft and many of our early picks were busts or guys at the best, who weren't worthy of their draft spot (clayton, hill, spears, peterman)
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:27 pm to King Joey
I can't believe this is still going.
I hope you realize that by arguing with him, he's already won.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Um, no. YOU are the one who introduced the post-South Carolina game 2007 season as a data set in this discussion. This is YOUR data selection. And calling it mine is more twisting of facts to suit your point, again entirely consistent with confirmation bias.
then you're limiting your example to 10 data points. i'm using YOUR data
quote:Why won't you answer the question? Is it your contention that our defense has been slow for the last 9 years?
show me the athletic studs that we've produced in the last 9 years
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