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re: what is moffit doing
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:29 pm to Cussian
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:29 pm to Cussian
quote:It's not really a contest. He's just trying to drum up more traffic on TD.com, so it doesn't really hurt anything to help him succeed. I have issues with the way they seek to accomplish the goal, but not with the goal itself.
I hope you realize that by arguing with him, he's already won.
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Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:30 pm to King Joey
oh our pass D was shitty
i'm waiting to see if we have the "Texas effect" after our subpar NFL results
UT's prospects got a bad rep, and UT hasn't has a #1 class since, and they have it much easier than LSU
quote:
So then why didn't you answer the question: when do these "bad drafts" start affecting our recruiting?
i'm waiting to see if we have the "Texas effect" after our subpar NFL results
UT's prospects got a bad rep, and UT hasn't has a #1 class since, and they have it much easier than LSU
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:And the fact that these "subpar NFL results" have been going on for years and our recruiting has still been exemplary is simply not relevant to your analysis?
i'm waiting to see if we have the "Texas effect" after our subpar NFL results
UT's prospects got a bad rep, and UT hasn't has a #1 class since, and they have it much easier than LSU
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:32 pm to King Joey
quote:
Um, no. YOU are the one who introduced the post-South Carolina game 2007 season as a data set in this discussion.
along with all of 2008
that's many more than 10 games
quote:
Is it your contention that our defense has been slow for the last 9 years?
the last 2 definitely
2003 and 2006 were not really slow
2001 most certainly was
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:32 pm to King Joey
quote:
It's not really a contest. He's just trying to drum up more traffic on TD.com, so it doesn't really hurt anything to help him succeed. I have issues with the way they seek to accomplish the goal, but not with the goal itself.
i'm not affiliated with ownership of td.com and i'm not an admin
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:33 pm to King Joey
Moffit's job is to train players to be ready to play in football games. Not for a combine.
He has a hand in about 4 national titles over the years. You're an idiot to knock the guy.
He has a hand in about 4 national titles over the years. You're an idiot to knock the guy.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:33 pm to King Joey
quote:
And the fact that these "subpar NFL results" have been going on for years and our recruiting has still been exemplary is simply not relevant to your analysis?
unless our team isn't that talented, which may be the case. then our recruiting HAS suffered
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Like Georgia Tech?
teams being able to pass all over us for a year and a half and option teams making our D look slow is evidence
quote:Team names are not examples. What exactly about the Alabama game was evidence that our defense suffered from being slow? Or Kentucky, Arkansas or Auburn?
Auburn
Alabama
Kentucky
Arkansas
4 examples
And then you could address how our team was mysteriously not slow the other 10 games of that season.
quote:Absurd, and again evidence of confirmation bias. You equated your definition of athleticism with talent. Athleticism, by any definition, is not the same as talent. By ignoring this reality you continue to skew the data to ignore evidence inconsistent with your conclusion and unduly weigh data that supports it.
yes it is
athleticism is athleticism
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:No, you introduced the 10 game set of post-South Carolina 2007 in a discussion specifically of your analysis of the 2007 defense:
along with all of 2008
quote:You brought up the set including ONLY the 10 games of our 2007 season after the South Carolina game as a basis for analysis. Then you claimed that it was my data selection. That is false, and is exactly the kind of twisting of facts that someone in denial of a confirmation bias (or any other kind of logical error) would employ.
2007 has a schedule with 2 absolutely horrible offenses who sucked AFTER they replaced their shitty QBs. we got a shot at their horrible initial starters (carroll, glennan)
we also benefited from one of urban's conservative gameplans (also seen in this previous national title game)
then came USC, when spurrier carved our D with his own horrible offensive talent. of course they didn't win, because they sucked, but that was the beginning of the end
after USC, teams were no longer scared of us. they attacked us, and they had success. our slow defense correlates with shitty pass D and the inability to stop the option against athletic RBs
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Three out of 9. Trend? Or simply ignoring 2/3 of the evidence to focus on those that you believe support your point?
the last 2 definitely
2003 and 2006 were not really slow
2001 most certainly was
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Ok.
i'm not affiliated with ownership of td.com and i'm not an admin
Posted on 2/24/09 at 3:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
dude
we lost 2 games
frick the national championship
i pretty much look at it the other way around.
we won the National Championship, F the losses.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
4.38...which was expected
Expected?
Not by you. You said Addai would "Run in the 4.5-4.55 range & will go in the late 2nd or 3rd round at best"
The Aftermath of your Biden-like gaffe was this excuse: "Well, if he hadn't run a 4.38 he would have gone in the 3rd round"
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:a season in which we won the ncg and had one of the statistically best defenses in america. hmmm.
this belief only came about after analyzing the 2007 season
quote:umm, no.
if that's a bias, then any analysis of data involves confirmation bias.
quote:first, when considering a decade, yes, it is. second, last year should get completely thrown out because of the obvious aberration that it was. i feel pretty confident you are aware of that.
looking at the last year and a half of LSU defense is hardly "cherry picking"
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:nothing you are saying here even remotely addresses my point that you are reducing football games to absurdity to glean a few facts to support a flawed point.
no OSU lacked offensive talent in 2007 his is nothing new or shocking
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:irrelevant. we were the best in the country by pretty much every standard available. in a one game, winner take all, post season scenario, lsu wins against any team in america
we lost 2 games
frick the national championship, look at this in an objective bubble. we lost 2 of 10 games to end 2007.
you are creating a flawed argument because you are assuming other teams playing our same exact scheduled would have done better which is something you absolutely can't prove.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:nope. but neither do i think anyone would have beaten us in the ncg.
do you honestly think they were the best team pre-bowls?
quote:in the context of this discussion, this is completely unsupportable by you. it's mere conjecture based on your perception, nothing more.
slow, not terrible
quote:i understand that you are looking for us to have miami like drafts. surely you can admit there is more parity now than when miami was dominating the draft.
when do we start to have drafts that correlate to our success in college? we've had 1 amazing draft (2007, following the most talented LSU team ever) and then average-below average drafts
how about nebraska? they were by far the best team in america and did not "dominate" the draft, especially on the offensive side of the ball.
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:yet, we were statistically among the best in america.
teams being able to pass all over us for a year and a half and option teams making our D look slow is evidence
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:more garbage. we were the most deserving in the system in place.
the national title came about as a result of a lot of luck and the media loving us.
quote:sfp, the number of losses is irrelevant. i find it incredible you aren't able to grasp these concepts.
if you expect to win many national titles with a 2-loss team then that's your opinion, but wow
Posted on 2/24/09 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:no it doesn't and i've already pointed out how.
2008 did happen, and it makes my argument stronger
quote:you have yet to refute the 3 points i raised.
but don't say i'm using weak data points when i was only replying to the set of information you used
quote:pal, what difference does it make? moffit is earning his money, PERIOD. you are inflating the importance of the combine, selectively evaluating nfl success, expecting unreasonable results from the draft and ignoring moffit's primary mission.
show me the athletic studs that we've produced in the last 9 years
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