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Posted on 12/26/25 at 7:27 pm to Mattamue
Mental gymnastics strong in this thread!
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:37 am to Mattamue
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Where did Kelly go wrong as coach?
FIFY
Talent evaluation
Coaching hires
Player Development
Roster management
Leadership
Laziness
As for the offensive line, in addition to bad coaching and player development, the scheme sucked.
It's really hard to see Kelly as anything other than a failure even though he leaves with a 34-14 record (0.708).
The 10 win seasons in 22 and 23 were misleading because of the talent of Daniels with Nabers and Thomas combined with Denbrock's offense. The 9 win season, outside of the Ole Miss win, was fools gold.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:51 am to 1loyalbamafan
Ohio State in the 60s would be at least three deep in offensive lineman. They would play/practice as an intact group. That way when they finally were elevated to starting, they had played together for several years. Maybe we should do the same. It would be difficult, however, in today’s financial environment.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:53 am to Mattamue
Lack of development
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:09 am to cbree88
Will Campbell says hello! In fact our whole line says hello. All of them are in NFL and we still had the worst rushing offense in the SEC. If it wasn’t for the rushing of JD5 it was the worst all 4 years of his tenure. The schedule in CBKs previous job produced dominant OLs against inferior opponents. I’m not saying the individuals weren’t good, all I’m saying CBK didn’t have an answer for the size and speed of the SEC in his repertoire.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:23 am to Mattamue
Always felt like Davis was the one assistant he was asked to keep, hence why Woodward made him interim for the bowl game
We had to lure Davis away from Ark late in the process before that season so likely some promises made
Kelly even brought in one of his former OL coaches as an analyst, almost as if to have someone in the bullpen he wanted
Always seemed like an odd situation. Davis obviously isn’t a star coach but you can also see why the culture may have been tense/bad in that room. They weren’t very productive when they had Campbell/Jones/et al
We had to lure Davis away from Ark late in the process before that season so likely some promises made
Kelly even brought in one of his former OL coaches as an analyst, almost as if to have someone in the bullpen he wanted
Always seemed like an odd situation. Davis obviously isn’t a star coach but you can also see why the culture may have been tense/bad in that room. They weren’t very productive when they had Campbell/Jones/et al
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:29 am to Sissidog02
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I’m not saying the individuals weren’t good, all I’m saying CBK didn’t have an answer for the size and speed of the SEC in his repertoire.
Poor logic
Posted on 12/27/25 at 2:07 pm to Mattamue
Woody had to approve his Assistants.
That was Woody and Carville's team. Had been since the end of 2019.
That was Woody and Carville's team. Had been since the end of 2019.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:45 pm to Mattamue
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Kelly had several lineman drafted for years while at Notre Dame. Why didn't that translate here?
Prolly had at least a half assed OL coach at ND.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 3:49 pm to Sissidog02
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twice as fast/quick twitchy as they like to say.
Except LSU O Linemen always twitched at the wrong time. That being BEFORE THE SNAP.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 4:01 pm to Sissidog02
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The schedule in CBKs previous job produced dominant OLs against inferior opponents. I’m not saying the individuals weren’t good, all I’m saying CBK didn’t have an answer for the size and speed of the SEC in his repertoire.
So how do you explain how shitty our line looked even when playing against much smaller and slower d-lines in non conference games?
Posted on 12/27/25 at 4:02 pm to Mattamue
He got stuck with the Nuss bus. Kellys qbs were usually semi mobile.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 4:40 pm to Sissidog02
except those guys at Notre Dame were drafted. So they had talent.
We didn't do sleds. We didn't do 9 on 7 or 7 on 7 drills. We didn't do basic OL drills in practice.
We didn't do sleds. We didn't do 9 on 7 or 7 on 7 drills. We didn't do basic OL drills in practice.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 6:33 pm to Mattamue
Because when he saw the 50 million dollar buyout clause he thought “hey, I’m retired!” If your retired your not worried about your OL or anything else…
Posted on 12/27/25 at 7:18 pm to Mattamue
Because we gave him incentive to not work. !00 million whether you succeed on the field or not.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 8:24 pm to kayjay
BK was a defensive LB coach. He was never an offensive coach as some here believed. He was a terrible fit, coming from an overated program.
OL is the position group that is very hard to evaluate. The NFL laments the lack of good college linemen and the amount of coaching they need every draft.
BK allowed other people to Coach their positions, but he didn't do the follow up or the self-evaluation to allow the checks on those you are counting on.
That is why he acted suprised when we were so deficient on one side of the ball every year he was here. It was like he truly had no idea of his teams strenghts and weaknesses. He was good for one blow out loss a year and his teams failed to improve. If your scheme is bad and there is no Coaching of the OL, It will look like LSU.
You could have Whitworth, Munoz, and Roaf on the line and it would still be a mess. It looks like there was no self scouting, no addressing of weaknesses and mistakes. No gameplanning of the opponent.
He was a poor choice and that choice is the reason SW needed to be let go. You can't be the best one one side and the worst ever on the other side of the ball and be successful. I believe his frustration was legitimate, he just had no clue how to address the issues.
At ND he had alot of cupcakes to make it look like no big deal. You can't do that in the SEC.
OL is the position group that is very hard to evaluate. The NFL laments the lack of good college linemen and the amount of coaching they need every draft.
BK allowed other people to Coach their positions, but he didn't do the follow up or the self-evaluation to allow the checks on those you are counting on.
That is why he acted suprised when we were so deficient on one side of the ball every year he was here. It was like he truly had no idea of his teams strenghts and weaknesses. He was good for one blow out loss a year and his teams failed to improve. If your scheme is bad and there is no Coaching of the OL, It will look like LSU.
You could have Whitworth, Munoz, and Roaf on the line and it would still be a mess. It looks like there was no self scouting, no addressing of weaknesses and mistakes. No gameplanning of the opponent.
He was a poor choice and that choice is the reason SW needed to be let go. You can't be the best one one side and the worst ever on the other side of the ball and be successful. I believe his frustration was legitimate, he just had no clue how to address the issues.
At ND he had alot of cupcakes to make it look like no big deal. You can't do that in the SEC.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 8:46 pm to GentleJackJones
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He had Harry Hiestand, one of, if not the best, offensive line coaches in the game.
This……. He was ND’s O- Line Coach for 7 years and coached 10 NFL starters including Zack Martin, Ronnie Stanley, Quentin Nelson, and Mike McGlinchey. .
Posted on 12/27/25 at 8:59 pm to Boudreauboudreaugoly
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Kelly had several lineman drafted for years while at Notre Dame. Why didn't that translate here?
Most were Catholic whites from the Midwest which is where most OLs and TEs come from. Notre Dame had a religious and academic allure for those position groups.
Kelly wasn’t a factor, it’s what the school is known for pulling in recruiting
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:00 pm to Mattamue
BK’s staff horrible at evaluating and developing talent
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