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re: Who Was Better as True Fr? PP7, Mo, Tre, or RR
Posted on 6/22/14 at 3:55 pm to OTIS2
Posted on 6/22/14 at 3:55 pm to OTIS2
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Honey Badger. No contest.
I loved Mathieu. When some people were wondering if he'd make it in the pros because he was "a weakness in coverage", I kept saying he was a stud in coverage and he'd own the NFL. He was unique. I've never seen a player do the odd and amazing things that he did. But he's still not in the same class with PP7. Play after play PP7 dominated the way I haven't seen a corner dominate in college ball since Deion Sanders.
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Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:08 pm to AlwysATgr
I've made similar post before, but for the longest time, I thought TM7 was lucky......the recipient of lucky bounces.....right place, right time......until he did it so often that I finally realized he created the "luck", lucky bounces, and was in the right place at the the right time because had that completely uncoachable attribute of "feeling" where the right place would be, long before the play derermined it. It was like he was a prophet on the outcome of plays. In my following of LSU, I've never seen anyone as dynamic, game changing, loose, and valuable as TM7.
If I had to draft a corner tomorrow, I'd probably selected peterson. And he's no doubt be a great selection,
play well, and be the heart of my defense.
And we'd, at some point, play TM7, and I'd kick my own arse for not picking TM7, as I walked in the locker room, after losing by 5, thanks to some heretofore never seen "something" that TM7 just dd.
If I had to draft a corner tomorrow, I'd probably selected peterson. And he's no doubt be a great selection,
play well, and be the heart of my defense.
And we'd, at some point, play TM7, and I'd kick my own arse for not picking TM7, as I walked in the locker room, after losing by 5, thanks to some heretofore never seen "something" that TM7 just dd.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:20 pm to AlwysATgr
Damn no wonder this board melts down so much.. Comparing good freshmen seasons to some of the best athletes the university has ever seen? Christ.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 4:22 pm to Penrod
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Play after play PP7 dominated the way I haven't seen a corner dominate in college ball since Deion Sanders.
Mathieu did the same IMO. He was truly unbelievable, and I don't think he's so far off from Patrick Peterson in this regard. As a pure cover corner, I'll take Peterson, and I think he probably had the best first season of those listed in the OP. However, I think it's a little closer than some believe. Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:27 pm to abellsujr
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TM was pretty good his freshman year.
Yeah I read that somewhere.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:27 pm to OTIS2
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Honey Badger. No contest.
Well that's just wrong..
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:30 pm to TigerBait2008
Well that's just like your opinion, man..
Posted on 6/22/14 at 6:31 pm to goldenbadger08
PP7 is the answer and there is no other correct answer..however you can keep trying all you like..Posted on 6/22/14 at 7:38 pm to TigerBait2008
This is a great problem for us to have.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:21 pm to TigerBait2008
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PP7 is the answer and there is no other correct answer
no Tyrann is the answer if we're talking freshman yr. Pat was good in 08, particularly late when he took over as a starter, but Tyrann was making significant plays all yr. he had a pretty insane stat line.
57 tackles, 8.5 tfl, 4.5 sacks, 7 PBUs, 2 INTs, 5 FF, 3 FR
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:29 pm to ATLTiger
Hey…Don't let stats get in the way of a good melt.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:32 pm to ATLTiger
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4.5 sacks, 7 PBUs, 2 INTs, 5 FF, 3 FR
As a defensive back
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:45 pm to Penrod
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But he's still not in the same class with PP7. Play after play PP7 dominated the way I haven't seen a corner dominate in college ball since Deion Sanders
This. I have zero data to back this up, but I would guess the number of people calling TM7 the GOAT were minors when he entered LSU.
So many great DBs at LSU to pick a guy with 1 good year, 1 great year and then NOTHING.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 8:53 pm to Jcorye1
Tommy Casanova was a safety.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:51 pm to jose canseco
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but I would guess the number of people calling TM7 the GOAT were minors when he entered LSU.
So many great DBs at LSU to pick a guy with 1 good year, 1 great year and then NOTHING.
Maybe you are a minor. Tell me the next time or anytime a corner could claim ridiculous stats like this in only his true freshman and true sophomore years.
133 tackles
16.0 tackles for loss
6 sacks
16 pass breakups
4 ints
11 FF
7 FR
2 fumble return TDs
2 punt return TDs
Had he been here for 2012, no doubt in my mind that we would have been in a BCS game. I'd even say return trip to the NCG.
He could have also had a chance to win the heisman and become a two time concensus All-American, Bednarik winner, 1st team ALL-SEC, and SEC DPOY. He could have even won the Thorpe award.
Mathieu looked so good in the Spring, you just knew he would finish off his college career in style.
Posted on 6/22/14 at 9:55 pm to Penrod
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But he's still not in the same class with PP7
He was a far better player than PP7.
Pp7 may have been the better shut down player, but there has never been a player to dominate and change games the way TM7 did.
This post was edited on 6/22/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:05 am to Datbayoubengal
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Had he been here for 2012, no doubt in my mind that we would have been in a BCS game. I'd even say return trip to the NCG.
Had Cecil Collins played for 4 years he would have been the Messiah, right?
TM7 was never the best cb on his team...PatPete was better freshman year. MoClay was better soph.
If you want to talk about best def player all time, Dorsey and PatPete have something to say this decade. Lets not even get into pre 2000.
TM7 was great, but only kids have him on the all LSU team at any position.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 12:20 am to jose canseco
TM7 stats benefitted from PP7 and TM did not have to man up 100% of the time against the No1 WR.
A family member once said the PP7 may not be so good his freshman year because you never see him, I said its because NO ONE throws to his side ever.
PP7 all day.
A family member once said the PP7 may not be so good his freshman year because you never see him, I said its because NO ONE throws to his side ever.
PP7 all day.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:31 am to Datbayoubengal
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Maybe you are a minor. Tell me the next time or anytime a corner could claim ridiculous stats like this in only his true freshman and true sophomore years. 133 tackles 16.0 tackles for loss 6 sacks 16 pass breakups 4 ints 11 FF 7 FR 2 fumble return TDs 2 punt return TDs Had he been here for 2012, no doubt in my mind that we would have been in a BCS game. I'd even say return trip to the NCG. He could have also had a chance to win the heisman and become a two time concensus All-American, Bednarik winner, 1st team ALL-SEC, and SEC DPOY. He could have even won the Thorpe award. Mathieu looked so good in the Spring, you just knew he would finish off his college career in style.
THIS!!! AND NOTHING ELSE!!!
Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:41 am to jose canseco
Not trying to be a jerk but this thread is about who was the best as a FRESHMAN. Arguing about who was the best at LSU for their career is all about opinions as well but not what this thread is about.
With that said, as a FRESHMAN I think it was TM7. As good as PP7 was we didn't get to really see what he could do until the second half of the season. Matheiu was just in a world all his own, the guy was sick as a complete football player. And yes PP7 was the best CB LSU has ever had, and maybe will ever have.
BTW, Casanova was great as well, just a different era and different players although I do believe he would have been plenty good in today's era.
Have a great day!!
With that said, as a FRESHMAN I think it was TM7. As good as PP7 was we didn't get to really see what he could do until the second half of the season. Matheiu was just in a world all his own, the guy was sick as a complete football player. And yes PP7 was the best CB LSU has ever had, and maybe will ever have.
BTW, Casanova was great as well, just a different era and different players although I do believe he would have been plenty good in today's era.
Have a great day!!
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