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re: why crowton wasn't fired last year
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:59 am to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:59 am to LSU GrandDad
GrandDad I'm with you. You're wasting your breath on these Rantards! There is no such thing as common sense on here.
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Posted on 11/1/10 at 9:59 am to Davbrucas
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I imagine that 90% of the TD posters are younger than 25.
and act like they're 12.
the original post is right on....half of the responders just made fools out of themselves. let me correct that....have been fools forever.
beat sabamaPosted on 11/1/10 at 9:59 am to LSU GrandDad
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production is irrelevant in that scenerio. and i am not taking it personally either, but i am struggling to see the relevance of your post, at least as to how it related to the crowton situation. is crowton gang banging someone in miles family?
It's totally relevant because Miles' offense has become far more "offensive" than anything you'll see on Bourbon Street or Tijuana.
I'm sure some paying customers leave these shows satisfied. When was the last time that happened with LSU's offense?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:08 am to willeteal
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keep Crowton by the lights of some subtle management theory.
#1 Crowton has already been kept and rearranging history is not possible. if you would have read my post, or understood it you would have known that i was merely explaining why he wasn't fired LAST YEAR, which i'm pretty sure has already transpired and why he probably would be fired at the end of THIS YEAR, which is not yet upon us.
#2 you calling my statement a subtle theory, by definition, is calling it "a hardly noticeable unproven hypothesis". if that's what you think of SOUND MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLE's , don't bother to send me your resume. and if you are a student in business administration i would suggest you reevaluate and change your major.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:18 am to GALSUtiger
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I believe thats apples and oranges in the most extreme way!!
Actually it was like comparing Apples to atomic weapons really.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:21 am to LSU GrandDad
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#1 Crowton has already been kept and rearranging history is not possible. if you would have read my post, or understood it you would have known that i was merely explaining why he wasn't fired LAST YEAR, which i'm pretty sure has already transpired and why he probably would be fired at the end of THIS YEAR, which is not yet upon us.
#2 you calling my statement a subtle theory, by definition, is calling it "a hardly noticeable unproven hypothesis". if that's what you think of SOUND MANAGEMENT PRINCIPLE's , don't bother to send me your resume. and if you are a student in business administration i would suggest you reevaluate and change your major.
If you were only trying to explain why MIles wasn't fired -- okay.
I think it is simpler than that. I think Miles is simply stubborn. I haven't seen a long history of rational thought from The Hat. HIs handling of the QB situation doesn't seem like it was take from something Jack Welsch wrote. Chicken posted on another thread that Miles interviewed 2 candidates and didn't feel comfortable with either one.
Face it. The guy is way more "Let er' rip" than "Six Sigma".
As for sending a resume to Willy Loman on Tigerdroppings whose trying to hide his lack of football knowledge by pretending to be Mr. Net Worth, I think I'll just stick to betting on SEC football games.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:21 am to LSU GrandDad
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knee jerk reactions and hasty decisions are a sign of a poor manager.
Stoppped reading after that sentence. KNEE JERK?
Gramps, knee jerk would be after one game. 2 seasons of steady decline/struggles/screwups is or would not have been a KNEE JERK reaction.
Who cares if your salesman was good over a year ago? If he would not even come close to meeting quotas for 12-18 straight periods and there were many many top salesmen from other companies wanting to come on board and take his place, YOU WOULD BE BOUND to replace his arse immediately or YOU WOULD NOT BE DOING YOUR JOB!
How you think firing him would have been "hasty" or "knee jerk" is absolutely atonishing to me.
BTW I currently have a large sales force at my company and the sales manager's arse would be HISTORY if I found he was covering for a slacker like Crowton! That, my friend, is a violation of ethics in itself.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:30 am to Bernie Moore
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Most of the country sees it as QB problem. Of course the X-Boxers take the easy way out and blame the coaches.
Bernie,
The only flaw I see in your logic is that it is the coaches responsibility to ensure that we evaluate / recruit QB's who are capable of competing at this level and that each class has a QB or that we at least always have a good contingency plan in place should we have attrition at any position.
Grandad,
In all of your worldly experience as a manager do you think is a good trait of a manager to not be prepared for such circumstances and have a solid contingency plan in place?
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:40 am to willeteal
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Miles made a huge mistake with this. And he was absolutely right to fire them.
Technically speaking, they both left for other opportunities.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 10:44 am to Tiger Vision
LSU GrandDad is correct in management principles and in the way it has been handled. He's thinking as someone who does not have the benefit of hindsight. Everyone here gets to jude based on hindsight and LSU GrandDad is explaining a management decision making process that notifies a person of your expectations for their improvement and gives that person a chance to correct poor performances and be measured on it. If they cannot or will not correct it, then time to find a replacement. It's called accountability.
Ethics violations are simple. Fired on the spot. Someone who behaves that way is a personality type that must be sent packing because it will surface again.
It takes experience to really know it and execute it without emotion or allowing the person to escape accountability. If you let them out later, then it's your failure. In this case, Miles will be a failure if Crowton is here after this season. His next challenge becomes finding a person who can do the job better and meet expectations which is also a difficult task.
My personal opinion is Crowton's job performance has been so poor over the last 8 games which is plenty of time to decide on letting him go. The question then becomes is it better for the program for him to be fired now or at the end of the season. The answer depends on if you have the personnel and talent to perform equal or better without him. Many would say this is a no-brainer, but there are many variables. My call would be to fire him, find a workable solution for the interim, compile a list of the top talent available and get a jump start contacting their agents to have first shot at them at the end of the season.
Then, all the ranters would get to see it play out and then criticize based on hindsight. A viscous, viscous cycle.
Ethics violations are simple. Fired on the spot. Someone who behaves that way is a personality type that must be sent packing because it will surface again.
It takes experience to really know it and execute it without emotion or allowing the person to escape accountability. If you let them out later, then it's your failure. In this case, Miles will be a failure if Crowton is here after this season. His next challenge becomes finding a person who can do the job better and meet expectations which is also a difficult task.
My personal opinion is Crowton's job performance has been so poor over the last 8 games which is plenty of time to decide on letting him go. The question then becomes is it better for the program for him to be fired now or at the end of the season. The answer depends on if you have the personnel and talent to perform equal or better without him. Many would say this is a no-brainer, but there are many variables. My call would be to fire him, find a workable solution for the interim, compile a list of the top talent available and get a jump start contacting their agents to have first shot at them at the end of the season.
Then, all the ranters would get to see it play out and then criticize based on hindsight. A viscous, viscous cycle.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:05 am to bayouawhiskey
LSU GranDad- You are spot on. As much as I have been stuggling to stay positve with this team(esp. the offense), even at 7-1, your past and present posts has put it all in perspective. I will look for your light in all of this blackness of doom and gloom rantards.
bayouawhiskey- you evidently get the big picture ... and is able to explain it in a very concise manner. Your rationality is rare. Here that is.
Here's looking for a good ending to 2010 football season and let's hope either 1)Crowden steps up for the LSU offense or 2) Crowden is let go at the end of the year. BUT not at the expense of LSU losing.
bayouawhiskey- you evidently get the big picture ... and is able to explain it in a very concise manner. Your rationality is rare. Here that is.
Here's looking for a good ending to 2010 football season and let's hope either 1)Crowden steps up for the LSU offense or 2) Crowden is let go at the end of the year. BUT not at the expense of LSU losing.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:15 am to bayouawhiskey
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bayouawhiskey
you are one of the few that grasped my explanation. of course none of us have the benefit of hindsight. if i did, i would be wealthy beyond imagination. as it is, i'm still very proud of my LSU education and how it opened doors for me to take care of my family and educate my children. and while most of my decisions based on sound principles of business (and humanity) turned out to be correct, i had my lulu's. miles has made some mistakes too. the proof in the pudding is correcting them. someone mentioned having a contingency plan and in his business, monthly judgements must be the order of the day out of necessity i'm sure, but in college football, that's not so. evaluations were annual as they are in my business. 
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:26 am to LSU GrandDad
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knee jerk reactions and hasty decisions are a sign of a poor manager. i've had over 25 yrs of experience in management so that's where i'm coming from. when a subordinate has poor results in one measuring period (in this case, a season), you don't fire them at that time. EVERYONE struggles sometime in their careers. you identify the reasons, set up a plan to correct the situation and then require the subordinate to improve according to plan. especially if the employee has a record of past success (like crowtons 2007), you give them opportunity to set things straight. if, during this period of trial, the manager fully loses confidence in the subordinates ability to achieve the required level of success, it is time to part ways. that is why i believe that at a school like LSU with our lofty expectations (and pay scales), this is gary crowton's last year. hell, texas is 4-4 right now and no one (except some of their rantards) is calling for browns or muschamps head. next yr may be different.
1. Terrible 2008 Season
2. Terrible 2009 Season
3. A history of being an inept coordinator
It isn't nearly as black and white as you make it out to be.
A more accurate comparison would be if you hired a salesman who:
1. Had been fired from his two previous jobs for declining revenue
2. Had a great year his first year while strictly adhering to your sales policy.
3. In year two, decided to toss aside your sales policy and enact his own which caused an incredible decline in revenue.
4. In year three, stay with his own policy causing an even steeper decline such that his sales figures were the lowest in the company.
What's your decision then?
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:30 am to Bernie Moore
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Most of the country sees it as QB problem.
Well, then fire Crowton for being a shite magnet, because under your theory his career has been plagued with "QB problems."
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:33 am to byubengalboy
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half of the responders just made fools out of themselves. let me correct that....have been fools forever.
quote:oh, the irony....
beat sabama
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:42 am to LSU GrandDad
grandpappy !!! 
i thought you were quitting the board?
jimmy ott just implied that our qb's aren't smart enough to run crowton's offense...i knew we were in trouble when andrew hatch transferred.
i thought you were quitting the board? jimmy ott just implied that our qb's aren't smart enough to run crowton's offense...i knew we were in trouble when andrew hatch transferred.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 11:47 am to Skillet
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jimmy ott just implied that our qb's aren't smart enough to run crowton's offense...i knew we were in trouble when andrew hatch transferred.
Other QB's "not smart enough" to run Crowton's system:
Dennis Dixon, currently with the Pittsburgh Steelers
John Beck, currently with the Washington Redskins
Man, poor Gary Crowton. How unlucky he must be with QBs. If he could only find a recruit that has the arm of John Elway, the legs of Vince Young, the leadership qualities of General Patton, and the I.Q. of Stephen Hawing, then certainly he could steer this offense into the Top 50.
This post was edited on 11/1/10 at 11:48 am
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:06 pm to BabySam
LSUGrandDad, I think you completely missed one subtle thing. BabySam's comment seems rather pointless... unless, he actually worked for you and had a gang bang with one of your female family members.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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Well, then fire Crowton for being a shite magnet, because under your theory his career has been plagued with "QB problems."
Antonio,you coach with what you have, I know Crowton did an outstanding job at Tech. If fired,Crowton will have a good job next year. Why did he leave Oregon?Why were they dumb enough to hire him?
Meyer isn't doing much with 5 star Brantly,same with Davis and 5 star Gilbert at Texas. Guess JJ is much better than Brantly or Gilbert.
A few yrs ago,Les did not sign a QB,and he made a big mistake in my opinion.
The Crowton bashers seem to hold him to a higher standard than they do other OCs.
Antonio,Newton makes Auburn so explosive,not Malzan.
I noticed you didn't respond to the rest of my post.
Posted on 11/1/10 at 12:35 pm to josh336
You must be a department head for the city of new orleans.
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