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re: Winn-Dixie Showdown...
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:37 pm to DoubleDeuce
Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:37 pm to DoubleDeuce
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Woah! I don't think he said he was a fan of Tulane. He was just defending their politics of trying to secure a regional bid. I don't think anyone who doesn't have P&G glasses on wouldn't blame Tulane for bringing up a great economic issue to the NCAA for wanting a regional.
I would assume that Tulane probably stated that "if" LSU didn't get a regional and traveled to New Orleans then they could guarantee more money, but without LSU they couldn't guarantee the same. It's just rational to do that. We all know that Tulane by itself won't draw the same bucks that LSU will, but to say that they were somehow trying to undermine LSU's attempt to host a regional by wanting them at theirs is only good politics on the behalf of Tulane's Athletic Director. Not trying to screw LSU.
Bingo. Well summarized. ANd correct, I am not a Tulane fan.
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 3:38 pm to DoubleDeuce
The last time LSU had to leave the Box for a regional was in 1989. They traveled to College Station for that one. And have since hosted a regional every time they got into the post-season (1990-2005 & 2008).
Posted on 1/28/09 at 5:10 pm to DoubleDeuce
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Tulane probably stated that "if" LSU didn't get a regional and traveled to New Orleans then they could guarantee more money, but without LSU they couldn't guarantee the same. It's just rational to do that. We all know that Tulane by itself won't draw the same bucks that LSU will, but to say that they were somehow trying to undermine LSU's attempt to host a regional by wanting them at theirs is only good politics on the behalf of Tulane's Athletic Director. Not trying to screw LSU.
Then why has LSU never put such a condition in one of its bids? If it's just good business and not trying to screw Tulane out of their chance to make money (and enjoy a competitive benefit), then why don't we do it? Because it's low-class, piece of shite, Tulane-trashy bullshite. That's why.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 5:39 pm to Mobiletiger
Mobiletiger
(Played in it in early 90's for USM. We swept UNO, Tulane, and LSU. Lyle mouton hit one into the 3rd deck against us. A bomb for sure)
You guys only beat UNO, because I got taken out after the 8th inning... I struck out 15 of you guys and we were up 5-2 going into the 9th.... Our coach didn't always have the biggest brain.....
(Played in it in early 90's for USM. We swept UNO, Tulane, and LSU. Lyle mouton hit one into the 3rd deck against us. A bomb for sure)
You guys only beat UNO, because I got taken out after the 8th inning... I struck out 15 of you guys and we were up 5-2 going into the 9th.... Our coach didn't always have the biggest brain.....
Posted on 1/28/09 at 5:41 pm to touchettiger
Did ya'll lose?
Posted on 1/28/09 at 5:51 pm to Jeff
Yes.... 
Because Schwaner was a dingbat... I also had a no hitter against USM that same season in Hattiesburg where the coach took me out after 8 1/3 innings when I gave up their first hit and we lost 3-2... When I came out it was 2-0.... College baseball was awesome but so disappointing looking back....
Because Schwaner was a dingbat... I also had a no hitter against USM that same season in Hattiesburg where the coach took me out after 8 1/3 innings when I gave up their first hit and we lost 3-2... When I came out it was 2-0.... College baseball was awesome but so disappointing looking back....Posted on 1/28/09 at 5:52 pm to touchettiger
My fondest memory in college was pitching at Alex Box Stadium and going seven strong innings giving up only a solo home run to Lyle Mouton.... He was the man 
But Sirotka pitched a shutout and we lost 2-0....
But Sirotka pitched a shutout and we lost 2-0....Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:00 pm to touchettiger
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gave up their first hit and we lost 3-2
I saw both games, but it's been so long it's kinda fuzzy. My nephew was USM's second baseman. He was the mvp of the Showdown that year (although it was called the Busch Challenge back then)
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Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:05 pm to Jeff
Do you remember me from back then... I was the one who threw the water jug in both games, because I told the coach let me have one more batter both games, and if he got on take me out... 
He never listened anyway....
He never listened anyway....Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:07 pm to Jeff
shorter guy right... he had a homer of me in like the 5th or 6th in the showdown.... couldn't get him out, that is why Shwaner took me out going into the 9th, because he was coming up.... Didn't matter, got a homer in the 9th to tie it, next batter won it... looking at scrap book as we speak....
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:10 pm to touchettiger
Ha ha...I called nephew just now and he is looking in his scrapbook too. I do remember you, and he was short (5'11")
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:12 pm to Jeff
thought so... Did he ever play pro ball... I played for 6 years with the Cubs and Marlins... They turned me into a closer... Mid 90's with rising fastball and ok slider.... wasn't for starters in pro ball... played for a few years till I got injured then was done...
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:16 pm to touchettiger
He badly dislocated his shoulder sliding into first late in his senior year, and it was over. He never had a strong arm, thus 2nd base in college, but he was a great hitter with great speed. He held the on base, stolen base, hits and at-bats records at USM for a long time...he may still hold some.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:20 pm to Jeff
Sorry to hear that... I actually dislocated my non-throwing arm in 96 spring training, had to go home to New Orleans and have it surgically repaired... Was back at extended spring training within 6 weeks and pitching again in games a week later... Hurt like crazy everytime I caught a ball being thrown hard.... Later that the next summer I got hit with a line drive and was pretty much done from then on.... Went back to spring training and just couldn't get it out of my head... That would be ball game for me... Left spring training and never played again... Now just love to golf in the summers... Michigan gets alot of snow so winter fun is skiing and sledding with the kids....
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:33 pm to touchettiger
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:48 pm to Nuts4LSU
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LSU opted out becuse they wanted more money.
Nope. We weren't going to do it under any circumstances after Tulane tried to frick us over with the regional.
Yes and No
I have worked in two of the three schools involved athletic departments. There are a few things that were going on about the Winn-Dixie Showdown that haven't been mentioned.
-For nearly the entire Winn Dixie Showdown the scheduling was done by Tom Schwarner (UNO). Schwarner had a similar philosphosy as Bertman to make in a national/quality tournament. He brought in teams from (Cali/Texas/Florida/NorthCarolina...)
-LSU and the 3 out of state teams were paid a fee, Tulane & UNO split the profits evenly.
-Yes LSU did ask for an increase in the fee, but that wasn't the problem.
-Rick Jones for Tulane took over the scheduling of the tournament. Tom Schwarner sat in my office and told me that he thought the following year would be the end of the tournament. Rick Jones wanting to make additional money for Tulane (nothing wrong with that) started to schedule Ole Miss/USM/Miss St. a lot (not sure of the excate number but it would have been 4 out of 5 years?)
-LSU (not sure if Bertman or Dean) asked if they could limit the number of SEC schools in the tournament. LSU aside from playing a 3 game series, and the SEC tournament had played number of the schools in the CWS. (Just off the top of my head- Flordia X2 in 1996, Bama for the title in '97, Auburn & Miss. St in 1998)
-Because of some miscommunication, the Florida schools' trip was canceled, this did not sit well. The Mississippi schools were brought in again. In fact when one of the Mississippi school declined, Arkansas was added in. So it was basicly a weekend where LSU would play 3 games 2 against SEC schools, where 5 teams would make more money then the could on their own. The 6th team was LSU.
-While at the same time Maestri who was tight with the Zephyrs, remember they used to play at UNO, was scheduling games UNO/Tulane and other out on Airline. That didnt sit well with the Dome officials. The Dome officials started to make it a little tougher for Tulane & UNO during the showdown.
-Then there was the entire regional problems.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 6:54 pm to Coon
Would sit for 10 - 11 hours in a row to watch.
Loved every minute of it !!
Loved every minute of it !!
Posted on 1/28/09 at 7:09 pm to Jeff
"walked up to a Tulane/UNO game in Early 80s. when UNO was best baseball program in the state - this game was basically for a spot in the NCAA tourn... at UNO... perfect weather.. MAYBE 1000 fans...
"No, they didn't. LSU always had at least 3 times the number of fans. Hell, even close teams like Miss. St. brought only about 50 or 75 fans. I know this because I actually attended the games every year. Toolame brought about 40 to each game; UNO about 25. UNO games were NEVER well attended even at their own field, even in their best years. At least make an attempt to get your facts right before attacking LSU. You are an ignorant, uninformed fool."
Sorry, but that is just wrong. First of all, in the 80's, once LSU caught up to UNO and Tulane, you'd be hard pressed to find 3 better teams in a 70 mile radius in the country. Also, UNO and Tulane in 1981 or 1982, played at the Dome when Augie Schmidt of UNO hit a HR to win the game in the bottom on the 9th. At the time, it was the largest crowd to ever see a college bb game (12,000+ in attendance).
UNO was always in the top 10 in attendance in the late 70's, 80's, and even early 90's.
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I remember the 1982 South II Regional at UNO. There were so many people that they had to put fans on the FIELD along the foul areas down each line. So to say no one went to those games is just not true. Those big UNO/Tulane games would have at least 5000 per game, which at UNO's field looked like 15,000 with everyone on the field.
UNO was 2x as good as they are now as was Tulane (Joe Brockhoff's teams would beat Rick Jones' 9 out of 10). If you were around then at watched the games between UNO, Tulane, and LSU. It was a great time for college baseball. Too bad things have changed. The Busch Challenge was always in February so no one had to worry about cold weather. Would be nice if some corporate sponsors could put up the money to make it worth it for LSU.
"No, they didn't. LSU always had at least 3 times the number of fans. Hell, even close teams like Miss. St. brought only about 50 or 75 fans. I know this because I actually attended the games every year. Toolame brought about 40 to each game; UNO about 25. UNO games were NEVER well attended even at their own field, even in their best years. At least make an attempt to get your facts right before attacking LSU. You are an ignorant, uninformed fool."
Sorry, but that is just wrong. First of all, in the 80's, once LSU caught up to UNO and Tulane, you'd be hard pressed to find 3 better teams in a 70 mile radius in the country. Also, UNO and Tulane in 1981 or 1982, played at the Dome when Augie Schmidt of UNO hit a HR to win the game in the bottom on the 9th. At the time, it was the largest crowd to ever see a college bb game (12,000+ in attendance).
UNO was always in the top 10 in attendance in the late 70's, 80's, and even early 90's.
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I remember the 1982 South II Regional at UNO. There were so many people that they had to put fans on the FIELD along the foul areas down each line. So to say no one went to those games is just not true. Those big UNO/Tulane games would have at least 5000 per game, which at UNO's field looked like 15,000 with everyone on the field.
UNO was 2x as good as they are now as was Tulane (Joe Brockhoff's teams would beat Rick Jones' 9 out of 10). If you were around then at watched the games between UNO, Tulane, and LSU. It was a great time for college baseball. Too bad things have changed. The Busch Challenge was always in February so no one had to worry about cold weather. Would be nice if some corporate sponsors could put up the money to make it worth it for LSU.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 8:25 pm to Jeff
I remember scotty diving into first and tearing up the shoulder. Never dive into first base. I moved over to deco d while he was hurt. Tore my rotator cuff early my junior year and surgery didn't help slot. Jeff call scotty and tell him 2 cap said hello.
Posted on 1/28/09 at 9:41 pm to jonmaes
Dont confuse them with facts on attendance man.
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