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re: would JoePa last 46 years at LSU?
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:48 am to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:48 am to I-59 Tiger
We would have run his old arse off years ago. Word would have gotten out that he was protecting a child molester and that would have been it
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Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:50 am to Tigerfanindawgland
The only reason he lasted that long at Penn State was they were paying him peanuts.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 10:53 am to bigeztiger
Dwight D Eisenhower would not have lasted 46 years at LSU.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:24 am to ottothewise
If people didn't know how many national titles we currently have and how many in the last century, reading thread like this would make them believe that we probably have about 25 national titles or something!
I bet such posts are coming from rantards who were either in diapers or just got rid of them around 2001.
Joe Pa's teams had 5 or 6 unbeaten seasons and only 2 national titles to claim for (With Bama's counting, they should have at least 7 or 8 titles).
Stop sounding like idiots!
That said, like a previous poster had mentioned, somebody would have blown the whistle much much earlier and we would have fired him despite his record.
I bet such posts are coming from rantards who were either in diapers or just got rid of them around 2001.
Joe Pa's teams had 5 or 6 unbeaten seasons and only 2 national titles to claim for (With Bama's counting, they should have at least 7 or 8 titles).
Stop sounding like idiots!
That said, like a previous poster had mentioned, somebody would have blown the whistle much much earlier and we would have fired him despite his record.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 11:30 am
Posted on 1/24/12 at 11:36 am to Tigerfanindawgland
If he had started here instead of Penn State, he could have probably coached about thirty years.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:03 pm to roygu
LSU ran Cholly Mac out of town after going 7-3-1, 8-4,8-4 and 7-5 in his last 4 seasons and had ONE losing season (5-6 in 1975) in 18 years.
Do you think JoePa would have survived in Baton Rouge going 5-7, 5-6, 9-4, 3-9 and 4-7 like he did from like he did from 2000-2004 in Happy Valley?
Do you think JoePa would have survived in Baton Rouge going 5-7, 5-6, 9-4, 3-9 and 4-7 like he did from like he did from 2000-2004 in Happy Valley?
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:19 pm to LSU82BILL
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Do you think JoePa would have survived in Baton Rouge going 5-7, 5-6, 9-4, 3-9 and 4-7 like he did from like he did from 2000-2004 in Happy Valley?
You comfortably left out his record before that. Had he built that kind of a legacy here, that would have easily bought him about 4 losing seasons in 5 years. He had exactly 4 losing seasons in the other 42 years he was a head coach.
You can question his morals. But, the man is one of the greatest coaches.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:31 pm to That One
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You comfortably left out his record before that. Had he built that kind of a legacy here, that would have easily bought him about 4 losing seasons in 5 years. He had exactly 4 losing seasons in the other 42 years he was a head coach.
You can question his morals. But, the man is one of the greatest coaches.
Yep....I also comfortably left out that Cholly Mac led LSU to 9 top 20 finishes in 13 seasons (8 of those top 15 and 4 of those top 10) prior to his one losing season. I'm questioning neither his morals nor his legacy. I'm just pointing out the difference in expectations between the fans, alumni and administration Penn State from those at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:56 pm to Tigerfanindawgland
do not forget he had five undefeated seasons... i think one of his national championships came with a one-loss season.
if he posts one-loss and undefeated seasons at LSU the way he posted them at state college, he fills the trophy case.
if he posts one-loss and undefeated seasons at LSU the way he posted them at state college, he fills the trophy case.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 12:58 pm to LSU82BILL
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I also comfortably left out that Cholly Mac led LSU to 9 top 20 finishes in 13 seasons (8 of those top 15 and 4 of those top 10) prior to his one losing season
and, a few others in his 18 year tenure...
0 national titles
1 SEC championship
4-7 record vs Ole Miss <- This alone should have canned his arse!
2-8 record vs Bama
Bottom line, despite his record, LSU was an average program.
To put it in perspective, Miles has 2 SEC titles and 1 National title in 7 years and we already want his head.
The real question is...in today's scheme of things, will Cholly Mac last 18 years with those "achievements"?
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 1:19 pm to I-59 Tiger
No way. He had a lot of good seasons, no doubt. But if you look at his record, he also has a bunch of back to back losing seasons. 3, 4, 5 wins. He would have never survived those.
Plus, screw that pederass enabler.
Plus, screw that pederass enabler.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 1:53 pm to That One
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The real question is...in today's scheme of things, will Cholly Mac last 18 years with those "achievements"?
well,while you're yukking it up at McClendon's expense YOU fail to acknowledge the incredibly weak schedule Penn State played each year prior to joining the Big 10.Pretty easy to fatten up your record with these brutes for example in 1969 when they went unbeaten and were rightly not National Champion:
at Navy 45-22
Colorado 27-3
at Kansas State 17-14
West Virginia 20-0
at Syracuse 15-14
Ohio U 42-3
Boston College 38-16
Maryland 48-0
Pittsburgh 27-7
at NC State 33-8
Brutal,just brutal. Oh,and ol' Joe Pa turned down the Cotton Bowl that year vs the Texas-Arkansas winner.
Sure,they picked up Notre Dame and Alabama in the 1980's but playing 3 legitimate top 20 teams a year vs maybe 4-7 each year is a little different.Yes,Paterno was a better and more accomplished coach than McClendon. But to look at McClendon's "lack of success" while failing to concede the incredibly lame competition Penn State faced during the period of time McClendon and Paterno's careers overlapped is very disingenuous.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 2:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
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well,while you're yukking it up at McClendon's expense YOU fail to acknowledge the incredibly weak schedule Penn State played each year prior to joining the Big 10.Pretty easy to fatten up your record with these brutes for example in 1969 when they went unbeaten and were rightly not National Champion:
Yep. Ole Miss was a quality program in the 60's. Alabama was Alabama. JoePa spent his first 27 seasons coaching an "independent" team back in the day when nobody cared about strength of schedule.....and he did it in an area that was a much more fertile recruiting ground than LA was at the time.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 4:45 pm to LSU82BILL
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Ole Miss was a quality program in the 60's. Alabama was Alabama.
That logic and reasoning alone makes LSU an average program. So, we let a guy run an average program for 18 years. What makes you think Joe Pa wouldn't have cut it out as a coach at LSU?
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JoePa spent his first 27 seasons coaching an "independent" team back in the day when nobody cared about strength of schedule.
Weak argument. As an independent, they beat #1 UGA and #2 Miami in their two national championship years.
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..and he did it in an area that was a much more fertile recruiting ground than LA was at the time.
So, Cholly Mac couldn't recruit nationally? Maybe we shouldn't have let him coach LSU for 18 years!
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 5:00 pm to That One
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Sure,they picked up Notre Dame and Alabama in the 1980's but playing 3 legitimate top 20 teams a year vs maybe 4-7 each year is a little different.
And? Didn't he win 2 national titles in the 80s with powerhouses included in the schedule?
End of the day, he is one of the greatest coaches ever and his record is not going down ever. We live in modern times where coaches won't last that long either. The pressure of the game won't give any coach more than 10 good years.
This post was edited on 1/24/12 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 1/24/12 at 5:31 pm to Tigerfanindawgland
Joe Pa stayed too long as Penn State. He was staying at the end more for himself than for the program. He was not nearly the coach he once was towards the back end of his career. This is not to mention the fact that he had a 1960s mentality in dealing with a pedophile who he allowed around his football program. I hope LSU never has to be disgraced by a coach refusing to leave and thinking he was bigger than the football program. LSU has done it right over the last 12 years and was a great deal more successful in that time than Paterno was.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 5:55 pm to liquid rabbit
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The only reason he lasted that long at Penn State was they were paying him peanuts.
Not only that.. he didn't even take his salary, instead he gave it back to the community. Hospital wing, Libary, YMCA, etc etc all built by Joe's donations. He still lived in his little ranch house he bought 50 years ago and drove a used car. His son drives 90's era Suburban (I used to live around the corner from him).
Posted on 1/24/12 at 6:24 pm to I-59 Tiger
LOL, Pitt was good in those days, as were some of those other teams.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 6:49 pm to LSU77
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LOL, Pitt was good in those days, as were some of those other teams.
The West Va team went 9-1 in 1969 and were pretty darn good.
Posted on 1/24/12 at 6:52 pm to PSU2LSU
joepa would have been forced to retire at 74 by state law, the same thing that happened to eddie robinson...
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